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WN Has Very Few Acars Messages Vs Others

Mon Dec 01, 2008 4:13 pm

I've noticed WN has very few ACARS msgs compared to DL / AA / CO etc.

any ideas why ?

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RE: WN Has Very Few Acars Messages Vs Others

Tue Dec 02, 2008 12:13 am



Quoting Rw774477 (Thread starter):
I've noticed WN has very few ACARS msgs compared to DL / AA / CO etc.

any ideas why ?

We have lots of them--you just don't see them...  Wink
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RE: WN Has Very Few Acars Messages Vs Others

Tue Dec 02, 2008 5:17 am

Might be they're sending the napkins via carrier pigeons!!!  Big grin

Kidding of course, but WN is rapidly gaining on the technology front and well beyond other airlines.
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RE: WN Has Very Few Acars Messages Vs Others

Tue Dec 02, 2008 5:38 am



Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 2):
Kidding of course, but WN is rapidly gaining on the technology front and well beyond other airlines.

All of our ACARS data runs via VHF-3 and then through a CRM-114 discriminator...  Wink
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RE: WN Has Very Few Acars Messages Vs Others

Tue Dec 02, 2008 6:33 am



Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 3):
All of our ACARS data runs via VHF-3 and then through a CRM-114 discriminator...  

As it is with most airlines.

Really, though, the OP should check out how many AS sends. Heck, they regularly send 1600+ ACARS messages a month just that are just PIREPS.
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RE: WN Has Very Few Acars Messages Vs Others

Tue Dec 02, 2008 12:45 pm

I wish I had been the guy to invent ACARS. What a great idea and what considering the volume of ACARS messages from carriers all over the world they must be making a fortune. It is an expanding technology as well, before we know it pretty much everything will be done via ACARS.
 
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RE: WN Has Very Few Acars Messages Vs Others

Tue Dec 02, 2008 10:20 pm



Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 3):
All of our ACARS data runs via VHF-3 and then through a CRM-114 discriminator...  

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RE: WN Has Very Few Acars Messages Vs Others

Wed Dec 03, 2008 12:20 am



Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 3):
and then through a CRM-114 discriminator

And even then, if you decoded them, they would all say Wing Attack Plan - R, with the P-O-E authenticator  Smile
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RE: WN Has Very Few Acars Messages Vs Others

Wed Dec 03, 2008 2:04 pm

On a more serious note, WN may be paying a "per msg" or "per character" fee. AA used to do that, but recently (within the last few years) negotiated a "flat rate" billing structure for ACARS msgs [as well as SABRE, which ACARS msgs require use of]. I no longer make an effort to "piggyback" routine ACARS msgs and am willing to send more "marginal" info msgs than previously and dispatchers are sending more "routine" enroute/terminal weather updates. OPNLguy might know for sure --or be able to get that type of info.  Wink
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RE: WN Has Very Few Acars Messages Vs Others

Wed Dec 03, 2008 4:45 pm



Quoting AAR90 (Reply 8):
OPNLguy might know for sure --or be able to get that type of info.

I'm sure that the author of this 2006 article had to answer to the Coca-Cola Company. Ditto for Google for making it publicly available via a search...

http://www.aviationtoday.com/av/categories/military/955.html

Quoting Dispatchguy (Reply 7):
And even then, if you decoded them, they would all say Wing Attack Plan - R, with the P-O-E authenticator

Torture me all you want--I ain't talking.....  Wink
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RE: WN Has Very Few Acars Messages Vs Others

Wed Dec 03, 2008 7:40 pm



Quoting AAR90 (Reply 8):
On a more serious note, WN may be paying a "per msg" or "per character" fee.

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RE: WN Has Very Few Acars Messages Vs Others

Tue May 29, 2012 10:41 pm

Is WN using acars now for PDC. I don't here them often on clr del frequencies
 
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RE: WN Has Very Few Acars Messages Vs Others

Tue May 29, 2012 11:49 pm

Quoting NorCal (Reply 5):

I wish I had been the guy to invent ACARS. What a great idea and what considering the volume of ACARS messages from carriers all over the world they must be making a fortune. It is an expanding technology as well, before we know it pretty much everything will be done via ACARS.

Back in the early 70's I worked for a computer science research organization that was mostly funded by DARPA (called ARPA then.)

One of our assignments was to find ways to apply advanced computer techniques to air operations for the military. We proposed a lot of ideas like glass cockpits, ACARS, EFBs and many others (of course the names were different). I was looking forward to a series of jumpseat flights to observe how pilots used or needed information. Unfortunately the government decided that private companies would do all this anyway so our project ended.

We were also asked to see how our network (ARPANET) could be applied to the military. During that project we found out that the US Pacific fleet was still using the same comm systems that were used in WWII!. The Japanese missed the communications center at Pearl Harbor.

The ARPANET stuff worked out better. Good thing. The Pentagon, then in the middle of a war, didn't want to fund the network without some military payback. Little did we know it would lead to a revolution in pornography.
 
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RE: WN Has Very Few Acars Messages Vs Others

Wed May 30, 2012 1:14 am

Quoting Rw774477 (Thread starter):
I've noticed WN has very few ACARS msgs compared to DL / AA / CO etc.

I guess I'll be the first the ask - how do you know? How are you receiving these messages?

Your answer to that question will provide the answer to your question ... especially if it's frequency related!

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RE: WN Has Very Few Acars Messages Vs Others

Wed May 30, 2012 5:13 pm

So, is WN still sending very few, 3 and a half years later? lol. Way to dig up an old thread.  
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RE: WN Has Very Few Acars Messages Vs Others

Wed May 30, 2012 8:45 pm

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 3):
All of our ACARS data runs via VHF-3 and then through a CRM-114 discriminator...

Interesting, I think we use an Illudium Q-38 Space Modulator instead.
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RE: WN Has Very Few Acars Messages Vs Others

Thu May 31, 2012 8:51 am

Quoting fxra (Reply 15):
Illudium Q-38 Space Modulator

I hear you can enhance the RF gain by using a Cathermin tube with inindium complex of +4 from an Interocitor (but it has to have a bead condenser model #: AB-619).
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RE: WN Has Very Few Acars Messages Vs Others

Tue Jun 05, 2012 2:20 am

They use the Bell & Howell COM Products 6700 series Recorder with the parallel-processed Retro Encabulator.
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RE: WN Has Very Few Acars Messages Vs Others

Tue Jun 05, 2012 6:28 am

Quoting sccutler (Reply 17):
They use the Bell & Howell COM Products 6700 series Recorder with the parallel-processed Retro Encabulator.

Then we should hardly be surprized at their lack of ACARS messages!


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