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Fuselage Width DC 10 Vs MD 11

Mon Dec 15, 2008 4:51 pm

I know the MD 11 is longer than the DC 10, but what about the fuselage width . Is the DC 10 wider than the MD11 or is it only the lenght of the MD 11 that makes it look that way ?

The DC 10 looks fatter....


DC 10 - fuselage width 19 ft 9 in (6.02 m )

MD11 - ?
 
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RE: Fuselage Width DC 10 Vs MD 11

Mon Dec 15, 2008 4:55 pm

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RE: Fuselage Width DC 10 Vs MD 11

Mon Dec 15, 2008 4:56 pm

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RE: Fuselage Width DC 10 Vs MD 11

Mon Dec 15, 2008 5:00 pm

Both are the same......
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RE: Fuselage Width DC 10 Vs MD 11

Mon Dec 15, 2008 5:03 pm

DC-10:
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/airports/acaps/dc10sec2.pdf

Page 17: 602cm / 237in



MD-11:
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/airports/acaps/md11sec2.pdf

Page 16: 602cm / 237in



Both airplanes are using the same fuselage...
 
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RE: Fuselage Width DC 10 Vs MD 11

Mon Dec 15, 2008 5:07 pm

Thanx

But then my 1/500 scale model from Herpa of an Scanair DC 10 is seriously different from one of my MD 11 models... and I don't think it's just because the MD 11 is longer ... The DC 10 looks fat and heavy compared to the sleek MD 11.

Can Herpa really gotten the scale that wrong ??
 
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RE: Fuselage Width DC 10 Vs MD 11

Mon Dec 15, 2008 5:11 pm



Quoting Mortyman (Reply 5):
Can Herpa really gotten the scale that wrong ??

Yes.
 
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RE: Fuselage Width DC 10 Vs MD 11

Mon Dec 15, 2008 5:15 pm



Quoting Mortyman (Reply 5):
Can Herpa really gotten the scale that wrong ??



Quoting TVNWZ (Reply 6):
Yes.

Perhaps one of your models isn't 1:500... i had some other models too with the wrong size which didn't fit in the fleet of my other models.
 
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RE: Fuselage Width DC 10 Vs MD 11

Mon Dec 15, 2008 5:20 pm



Quoting CARST (Reply 7):
Perhaps one of your models isn't 1:500... i had some other models too with the wrong size which didn't fit in the fleet of my other models.

Says 1/500 on all the boxes to my various MD 11's and DC 10 models. I only have the one DC 10 model though.I had expected it to be shorter wich is was, but not that it would be so wide.. Maybe it's an optical illusion...
 
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RE: Fuselage Width DC 10 Vs MD 11

Mon Dec 15, 2008 5:48 pm







According to the boxes,both are 1/500
 
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RE: Fuselage Width DC 10 Vs MD 11

Mon Dec 15, 2008 6:05 pm

You could measure the width and multiply by 500.
 
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RE: Fuselage Width DC 10 Vs MD 11

Mon Dec 15, 2008 6:07 pm

That are older models.
I have a Herpa DC-10 and MD-11 from the New Generation series built since about 2003. They fit together, fuselage width the same, just the nose of the DC-10 is odd.
These models are build in China, not every model is done right. After long years Herpa still doesnt get the grey belly right on the Lufthansa A330s/340s, and the freight door of the LH Star Alliance 744 is missing. Also the red on the Qantas 744 is different than the tone of the A380, wings colours are sometimes wrong and so on.
 
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RE: Fuselage Width DC 10 Vs MD 11

Mon Dec 15, 2008 6:17 pm

Probably just an illusion from the different lengths, or the fact that the DC-10 is all white making the edges easier to see.

Why don't you try measuring the circumferance with a piece of string?

[Edited 2008-12-15 10:25:49]
 
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RE: Fuselage Width DC 10 Vs MD 11

Mon Dec 15, 2008 6:32 pm



Quoting RJ111 (Reply 12):
Why don't you try measuring the circumferance with a piece of string?

Excellent suggestion RJ111!

I build 1/144 models, and the revell vs. airfix 747-200 is astonishingly different.
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RE: Fuselage Width DC 10 Vs MD 11

Mon Dec 15, 2008 7:38 pm



Quoting Rikkus67 (Reply 13):
I build 1/144 models, and the revell vs. airfix 747-200 is astonishingly different.



Interesting. If you don't mind - in what way(s)?
 
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RE: Fuselage Width DC 10 Vs MD 11

Mon Dec 15, 2008 7:51 pm

Quoting Khobar (Reply 14):
Interesting. If you don't mind - in what way(s)?

Quality in the molds.....

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 9):

Here is the deal... in the real world the DC-10 and MD-11 both are 19'-9" wide. The quality of your models leaves a little to be desired. It's a model.. they are not exact....I have seen some models offered that look nothing like the real aircraft.. very poor copies. Some look pretty close. I have a large collection of Embraer factory models and see several things that are not exact... close, but working with these aircraft everyday I see as wrong.

To be honest.. looking at your overhead picture it looks more like an L1011 lines, so maybe they modified a mold. Look at the nose area. The SAS is all wrong.. closer to an L10 nose, then a DC-10 nose. The sweep on the wings is different on the SAS then on the KLM... look at the size of the Horz. Stab... the KLM looks to be much closer to correct size.

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RE: Fuselage Width DC 10 Vs MD 11

Mon Dec 15, 2008 8:20 pm



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 15):
look at the size of the Horz. Stab

Don't forget the actual DC-10 tailplane is 20% longer than the MD-11's.
 
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RE: Fuselage Width DC 10 Vs MD 11

Mon Dec 15, 2008 8:21 pm



Quoting Timz (Reply 16):

That I didn't know....Thanks
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RE: Fuselage Width DC 10 Vs MD 11

Mon Dec 15, 2008 9:41 pm



Quoting Timz (Reply 16):
Don't forget the actual DC-10 tailplane is 20% longer than the MD-11's.

I think you are mistaken. I have superimposed DC-10 and MD11 longlense sideviews with minimum distorsion and beside detail modifications the tailfin of both are identical. No way there is such difference. The odd small fin on top of the rear part of the tail-mounted engine makes the MD11s tailfin is even longer than the DC10s!
But what exactly do you mean by that, 20% longer? The tailfin, no, cant be. And the tailcone of the MD-11 is longer than the DC-10s, not the other way around, thats easy to see.
 
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RE: Fuselage Width DC 10 Vs MD 11

Mon Dec 15, 2008 9:51 pm



Quoting NA (Reply 18):

I think you are mistaken. I have superimposed DC-10 and MD11 longlense sideviews with minimum distorsion and beside detail modifications the tailfin of both are identical. No way there is such difference. The odd small fin on top of the rear part of the tail-mounted engine makes the MD11s tailfin is even longer than the DC10s!
But what exactly do you mean by that, 20% longer? The tailfin, no, cant be. And the tailcone of the MD-11 is longer than the DC-10s, not the other way around, thats easy to see.

I think that there is a confusion in terms here!
Horizontal stabiliser "wingspan" is smaller on the MD-11 than on the DC-10 in real life (by about 20%). This is also reflected on the photo of the models from above.
 
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RE: Fuselage Width DC 10 Vs MD 11

Mon Dec 15, 2008 9:55 pm

Ok, that I understand. Thank you. I thought you meant the whole tailsection.
 
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RE: Fuselage Width DC 10 Vs MD 11

Mon Dec 15, 2008 11:13 pm

The only thing that I would add is that comparing models by Herpa can be quite difficult as I have a few in my collection and, no offense, but Herpa models are by far the lowest quality I have come accross. Try comparing Gemini or Dragon Wings DC-10's and MD-11's they would appear much closer in dimensions to eachother. Having worked around alot of DC-10's and MD-11's I can say that Dragon Wings does the best job making them with Gemini right there with them. Although my favorite now is the Hogan Wings 1/200 scale MD-11!!!

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RE: Fuselage Width DC 10 Vs MD 11

Tue Dec 16, 2008 12:34 am

The No. 2 engine on the DC-10 is more sweptback and the MD-11 has the screwdriver tailcone, both of which are not clearly visible on the models. In short, not everything is 100% on the models, but the cabin width is the same.
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RE: Fuselage Width DC 10 Vs MD 11

Tue Dec 16, 2008 12:44 am

Your dc-10 is taller than your MD-11 thats how you know the scales are off.
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RE: Fuselage Width DC 10 Vs MD 11

Tue Dec 16, 2008 1:38 am



Quoting DUALRATED (Reply 23):
Your dc-10 is taller than your MD-11 thats how you know the scales are off.

They are the same scale, they are both 1/500 scale Herpa models but the older generation Herpa models did have quite visible inaccuracies.

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RE: Fuselage Width DC 10 Vs MD 11

Wed Mar 25, 2009 7:27 am

This topic should be changed to "Fuselage width on Herpa models of the DC-10 and MD-11." As several above pointed out, the fuselage is the same. The MD-11 is a little longer and is built with lighter weight materials. In all the years that McDonnell Douglas was a commercial air manufacturer, they really never designed a completely new airplane. All the MD-80's and 90's were based on the DC-9 plans. They just kept stretching it, putting in new avionics, glass cockpits, newere engines etc. I guess you could say the same thng about the DC-4,6,7 as they had the same wings and fuselage too. (The DC-7C had a new wing). First lengthened and pressurized and then re-engined with extra tanks. I never have figured out why the purchase price of a DC-7 was so much more expensive than a DC-6B. After all, even though those engines had the turbo compound compressors, the CW-3350 was developed for the P-38 and B-29, just as the PW 2800 was developed for the P-47, and other naval carrier planes.
 
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RE: Fuselage Width DC 10 Vs MD 11

Sat Mar 28, 2009 5:30 pm

In real life the fuselage widths should be the same. Solution here is get out a vernier and measure, then you'll know for sure. No thought process involved, just take a $20 crappy tire vernier and stick it on. Much more accurate than either eyeballing it or using a piece of string.

If the real world fuselage width is 237 inches as stated above, then a 1:500 model should measure approximately .474" wide.



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