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757 Wing "widget"

Tue Jan 06, 2009 5:05 am

Always wondered what the "widget" is on the 757 wing?

In this photo the "widget" in question is yellow and centered on the leading edge of the wing over the engine.

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Conti...Airlines/Boeing-757-224/1199124/M/

It looks like a tie-down, but I can't image why a 757 would need a tie-down. Do all Boeing and Airbus models have these? If so, are there any photos of them being utilized?

Thanks for any information.

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RE: 757 Wing "widget"

Tue Jan 06, 2009 5:07 am

They are a tie-down/hook for the evac slides....

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RE: 757 Wing "widget"

Tue Jan 06, 2009 5:17 am


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RE: 757 Wing "widget"

Tue Jan 06, 2009 6:29 am

Actually no.... they are attach points for a fall protection safety harness rope for people working out on the wing. Especially over the struts where people on the wing are getting near the edge especially wet and icy ones.

in the 90 seconds you get to evacuate, you don't get time to tie down the slide.

They are clearly shown in the maintenance manuals as fall protection attach points
 
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RE: 757 Wing "widget"

Tue Jan 06, 2009 8:25 am

Actually these fittings have two purposes:
1) As Pygmalion has stated, as attachment points for safety harnesses for people working on the wing and
2) as attachment point for a lifeline, which runs from the upper doorframe of the IIRC forward overwing emergency exit to this point to give people a handhold to get into the life rafts should the plane ditch into the sea.

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RE: 757 Wing "widget"

Tue Jan 06, 2009 5:56 pm

As MD11 engineer says they are to attach a life line from the overwing exit door frame to the wing surface when the aircraft ditches. They can be found on 757's and 767's that have overwing exits.

Boeing sold 75's and 76's with or without overwing exits depending on the customers choice and I don't recall seeing them on the 757's and 767's that don't have the overwing exits

They are not to attach safety lines for maintenance but i suppose you could attach yourself to it. The maintenance attachment points are flush with the wing surface. The anchor point needs to be pushed into the hole a bit like a pip pin.
 
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RE: 757 Wing "widget"

Thu Jan 08, 2009 4:49 am

They are for life lines in accordance 14 CFR Part 25.1411 paragragh (g)

(g) Life line stowage provisions. If certification for ditching under §25.801 is requested, there must be provisions to store life lines. These provisions must --

(1) Allow one life line to be attached to each side of the fuselage; and

(2) Be arranged to allow the life lines to be used to enable the occupants to stay on the wing after ditching.
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RE: 757 Wing "widget"

Thu Jan 08, 2009 8:18 am

Primary purpose to serve as an attachment point for the evacuation rope to serve as a support during overwater evacuation of pax into life rafts.But can be used by Mx as a safety hold during work.
Although I'd prefer the Vaccum type safety holding equipment for Mx any day.  Smile
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RE: 757 Wing "widget"

Thu Jan 08, 2009 8:27 pm



Quoting Mender (Reply 5):
I don't recall seeing them on the 757's and 767's that don't have the overwing exits

I'm wrong about this. I saw an aircraft without overwing exits today but fitted with the attachment point earlier today.
 
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RE: 757 Wing "widget"

Sun Jan 11, 2009 12:36 am

Here's a close-up of one on a Westjet 737-700



When I saw it I had no idea what it was either!

Hope this helps!
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RE: 757 Wing "widget"

Sun Jan 11, 2009 4:52 am



Quoting Mender (Reply 8):
I'm wrong about this. I saw an aircraft without overwing exits today but fitted with the attachment point earlier today.

Interesting.Could that be for Mx purposes then.
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RE: 757 Wing "widget"

Sun Jan 11, 2009 6:00 pm



Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 10):
Could that be for Mx purposes then.

It's hard to reply to you without sounding like I'm having a pop at you and that's not my intention.

This anchor point is fitted to the wing for passenger evacuation, not for maintenance. It could be used by maintenance crews but it wasn't fitted to the aircraft with that in mind.

It's the same with the 737 NG overwing exit. It can give you access onto the wing upper surface but it wasn't put on the aircraft for that.

Remember, the wings and fuselage are built as separate items then assembled together so there would have to be a specific design request to remove this fitting on aircraft built without the overwing exits, hence it's fitted to some aircraft that don't need it.

Is it fitted to your freighters?
 
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RE: 757 Wing "widget"

Sun Jan 11, 2009 6:09 pm



Quoting Mender (Reply 11):
Remember, the wings and fuselage are built as separate items then assembled together so there would have to be a specific design request to remove this fitting on aircraft built without the overwing exits, hence it's fitted to some aircraft that don't need it.

Although this may be what's going on in this specific situation, there are lots of examples of changes on the wing related to changes on the fuselage (and vice versa). Wings and fuselages are manufactured as matched sets from day one and there's plenty of support in the production systems for airplane-to-airplane variation.

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RE: 757 Wing "widget"

Mon Jan 12, 2009 7:03 am



Quoting Mender (Reply 11):
Remember, the wings and fuselage are built as separate items then assembled together so there would have to be a specific design request to remove this fitting on aircraft built without the overwing exits, hence it's fitted to some aircraft that don't need it.

true.But if not needed for evactuation purposes since there is no overwing exit present,defeats the purpose of the equipment located there.

Quoting Mender (Reply 11):
Is it fitted to your freighters?

post convertons the B752F have deactivated doors [non overwing exit type],except the 1L & 1R.
on the B752PCF there are no doors apart from the small relocated L1.
None of the freighters have the link present.

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