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Saab 340...what's The Lifespan?

Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:07 pm

forum folks,

just wondering what the lifespan is of a saab 340? nw/dl only fly saabs into my hometown airport, and as far as i'm aware of, there is no replacement available for these aircraft. many of these aircraft have been flying for nw/mesaba some 10+ years or more. and from what i've heard, they aren't in the greatest shape. anyway, would be interesting to here other's thoughts on the predicted longevity of these planes...thanks.

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RE: Saab 340...what's The Lifespan?

Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:27 pm

I don´t think it´s age who´s going to retire them, oldest is 26 years old, youngest 10.
It´s the cycles, 14,5 million cycles for 13 million hours, top hours is 49678 hours all
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RE: Saab 340...what's The Lifespan?

Wed Jan 21, 2009 9:22 pm

SAAB still provides parts for the 340 so there really isn't a problem there. I'm pretty sure they still provide engineering support to the customers also. A ten or even twenty year airframe isn't that big of a deal. Now if SAAB was out of business it might be different. Support for Fairchild and Dornier aircraft has got to be getting slim.
 
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RE: Saab 340...what's The Lifespan?

Wed Jan 21, 2009 9:41 pm



Quoting FlyABR (Thread starter):
and from what i've heard, they aren't in the greatest shape.

Just what have you heard? That's insulting to anyone who works on or flies one of those planes. The interiors might not be the newest, or the paint jobs the shiniest (that will change soon), but to imply that there is anything mechanically wrong with the saabs flown into your city.....
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RE: Saab 340...what's The Lifespan?

Wed Jan 21, 2009 10:33 pm

Feels like a very solid built airplane. Saab 340 is one of my favorite airplanes, I hope to see them flying here in Alaska for a very long time to come.

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RE: Saab 340...what's The Lifespan?

Thu Jan 22, 2009 12:11 am



Quoting Alessandro (Reply 1):
I don´t think it´s age who´s going to retire them, oldest is 26 years old, youngest 10.
It´s the cycles, 14,5 million cycles for 13 million hours, top hours is 49678 hours all
# of may 2008.

There was a post awhile back that all of Mesaba's 340's are now 340B+'s that were delivered new from 1996-1998. So the oldest Mesaba 340 would be about 13 years old. It was also mentioned that the Mesaba leases run until 2012.
 
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RE: Saab 340...what's The Lifespan?

Thu Jan 22, 2009 1:52 am



Quoting Alessandro (Reply 1):
top hours is 49678 hours

Are you sating the top airframe is only 49678..? I've worked a few with way more hours the that...

I have nearly 15 years working on the 340. Done pretty much every job you can to one. Even part of putting a new wing on one that was damaged. Spent many an hour sitting jumpseat while running the gaulent of flight test programs. I love-love-love it. Well built, easy to work on, fun to fly on.....fun to fly... ( yea, I have a few hours actual.. no autopilot here )
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RE: Saab 340...what's The Lifespan?

Thu Jan 22, 2009 2:00 am

My dad used to fly for Mesaba.. when he was there they had some B+ aircraft and also some A models. By the time he left to fly for HP, the A models were gone and all the remainings 340s were B+'s. Now, I don't know what is considered a "worn out" or "old" aircraft, but these airplanes were very nice when i last flew in one just a few years back; i have a feeling they will stay around for a while to come, serving airports too small for regional jet traffic. Look at Northwest's DC-9s for goodness sake! They have been around forever and are still flying, so why stop service with the saab? IMO, the Saab 340's time to go definately has not come yet.

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RE: Saab 340...what's The Lifespan?

Thu Jan 22, 2009 2:24 am

for the record i've never felt unsafe flying on these aircraft. i was just wondering aloud about their predicted longevity. btw, so many of them have faded out paint, or did last time i flew last spring, that i'm sure the average person would assume they are pretty old just by looking at them.  Smile
 
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RE: Saab 340...what's The Lifespan?

Thu Jan 22, 2009 3:29 am



Quoting Dalmd88 (Reply 2):
Support for Fairchild and Dornier aircraft has got to be getting slim.

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RE: Saab 340...what's The Lifespan?

Thu Jan 22, 2009 9:14 am

Swedish engineering at its best. Smart solutions without a fuss; a minimum of corporate BS in the design or construction. There are advantages to "humble Swedes" working together. Not a lot of c**k-bashing at meetings. Big egos left at the door. At least that's how I imagine the SAAB designers worked. I have no personal experience.

There are 747s that were retired at 100k hours or more. Granted, the number of cycles is far lower, but still.
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RE: Saab 340...what's The Lifespan?

Thu Jan 29, 2009 10:48 pm



Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 10):
Swedish engineering at its best. Smart solutions without a fuss; a minimum of corporate BS in the design or construction. There are advantages to "humble Swedes" working together. Not a lot of c**k-bashing at meetings. Big egos left at the door. At least that's how I imagine the SAAB designers worked. I have no personal experience.

Your exactly correct. I spent a lot of time with the boys (and girls) in Sweden, as well as elsewhere in the world. Straightforward engineering. About the absolute best in Tech Support when I worked with them on projects. (and I've worked with nearly all the manufacturers in the western world). The airframes have got a lot more life in them.
 
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RE: Saab 340...what's The Lifespan?

Sat Jan 31, 2009 2:19 pm



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 6):
Are you sating the top airframe is only 49678..? I've worked a few with way more hours the that...

I have nearly 15 years working on the 340. Done pretty much every job you can to one. Even part of putting a new wing on one that was damaged. Spent many an hour sitting jumpseat while running the gaulent of flight test programs. I love-love-love it. Well built, easy to work on, fun to fly on.....fun to fly... ( yea, I have a few hours actual.. no autopilot here )

OK, what´s the top hours you know of on a S340?
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RE: Saab 340...what's The Lifespan?

Sat Jan 31, 2009 2:22 pm



Quoting Dalmd88 (Reply 2):



SAAB still provides parts for the 340 so there really isn't a problem there. I'm pretty sure they still provide engineering support to the customers also. A ten or even twenty year airframe isn't that big of a deal. Now if SAAB was out of business it might be different. Support for Fairchild and Dornier aircraft has got to be getting slim.

Funny you mention Fairchild, the where involved in the design of this aircraft, in the beginning it was named SAAB-Fairchild 340, but SAAB bought them out.
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RE: Saab 340...what's The Lifespan?

Sun Feb 01, 2009 5:42 am



Quoting Alessandro (Reply 13):
in the beginning it was named SAAB-Fairchild 340, but SAAB bought them out.

...Hence the designator SF34.

Quoting Alessandro (Reply 12):
Quoting EMBQA (Reply 6):
Are you sating the top airframe is only 49678..? I've worked a few with way more hours the that...

I have nearly 15 years working on the 340. Done pretty much every job you can to one. Even part of putting a new wing on one that was damaged. Spent many an hour sitting jumpseat while running the gaulent of flight test programs. I love-love-love it. Well built, easy to work on, fun to fly on.....fun to fly... ( yea, I have a few hours actual.. no autopilot here )

OK, what´s the top hours you know of on a S340?

I'd be interssted to know also.

Our oldest in flight hours is serial # 205 which is currently at 49161 (must be the highest B model in the world???)
Our oldest in cycles is 016 which comes in at 55259.

I might also add that they both like the day they were new. Plenty more hours left in these bullet proof machines. They just need a little bit of luvin'
 
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RE: Saab 340...what's The Lifespan?

Sun Feb 01, 2009 8:46 pm



Quoting Alessandro (Reply 12):
OK, what´s the top hours you know of on a S340?

I could swear I worked an early s/n ( 004-012..somthing like that) that had 50K plus... but if it's been retired, maybe that is when its not shown... I was doing 40K Cycle inspection 10 years ago.. and most Saab's run a 1 to 1.5 ratio
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RE: Saab 340...what's The Lifespan?

Sun Feb 01, 2009 8:50 pm



Quoting Alessandro (Reply 13):
Funny you mention Fairchild, the where involved in the design of this aircraft

They only built the wings....and only on the first 50 or so planes. You can tell a Fairchild wing because it has the bonding plates just outboard of the nacelles on the bottom of the wing.
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RE: Saab 340...what's The Lifespan?

Mon Feb 02, 2009 7:52 am



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 16):
You can tell a Fairchild wing because it has the bonding plates just outboard of the nacelles on the bottom of the wing.

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RE: Saab 340...what's The Lifespan?

Mon Feb 02, 2009 2:31 pm



Quoting Tbanger (Reply 17):
......and don't try to fit a leading edge to another aircraft or the screw holes won't line up..

.....and all along Maintenance Control is screaming in your ear asking what is taking so long..
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RE: Saab 340...what's The Lifespan?

Tue Feb 03, 2009 4:27 am

How many Saab 340s airframes have been lost?
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RE: Saab 340...what's The Lifespan?

Tue Feb 03, 2009 5:47 am

Quoting JohnClipper (Reply 19):
How many Saab 340s airframes have been lost?

8 frames have been written off

Frames 5, 147, 183, 195, 213, 315, 337, 353.

in addition to that 11 frames have been scrapped, 117 are Stored and the remaining 323 are in Service.

Quoting Tbanger (Reply 14):
Our oldest in flight hours is serial # 205 which is currently at 49161 (must be the highest B model in the world???)
Our oldest in cycles is 016 which comes in at 55259.

Just out of interest would you have the hours and cycles for frame 293 (ORX)?





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RE: Saab 340...what's The Lifespan?

Tue Feb 03, 2009 10:56 am



Quoting Vhqpa (Reply 20):
Just out of interest would you have the hours and cycles for frame 293 (ORX)?

Hrs: 28637
Cyc: 31459

Info current as of close of flying Tuesday 27th January 2009.

Any reason why you ask?
 
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RE: Saab 340...what's The Lifespan?

Tue Feb 03, 2009 11:14 am



Quoting Tbanger (Reply 21):
Hrs: 28637
Cyc: 31459

Info current as of close of flying Tuesday 27th January 2009.

Any reason why you ask?

Thank you

Just wondering because I flew on this particular aircraft a year or so ago mainly just to fly on the type and was just interested in the hours/cycles




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RE: Saab 340...what's The Lifespan?

Tue Feb 03, 2009 1:22 pm



Quoting Vhqpa (Reply 20):
8 frames have been written off

Frames 5, 147, 183, 195, 213, 315, 337, 353.

That number is not correct. Sadly there have been a few more.... those that I know of:
040 during a landind accident at IAD
096 during a pgb failure in flight that damaged the wing and nacelle
??? during a landing accident in So. Africa
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RE: Saab 340...what's The Lifespan?

Tue Feb 03, 2009 1:22 pm



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 15):
I could swear I worked an early s/n ( 004-012..somthing like that) that had 50K plus...

s/n 7 and 11 that we operate both have around 40K. Both still going strong..
I seriously think I just creamed my pants without any influence from any outside variables.
 
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RE: Saab 340...what's The Lifespan?

Wed Feb 04, 2009 7:51 am



Quoting Dufo (Reply 24):
s/n 7 and 11 that we operate both have around 40K. Both still going strong..

......ahhhh good old 11. A former one of ours. Glad to hear she's still going strong. Big grin
 
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Wed Feb 04, 2009 6:52 pm

http://www.shrani.si/f/2E/Zo/35wedYOg/p1000166-large.jpg

Girl11 somewhere between Tunis and Marseille..
She was fine when we got her.. except three nickel sheaths on l/h prop which had to be replaced. What did you do, grease her on Aussie beaches? Big grin
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Wed Feb 04, 2009 8:29 pm

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RE: Saab 340...what's The Lifespan?

Thu Feb 05, 2009 2:56 am

I think the Mesaba Saabs will be around for quite some time. I work with a Mesaba ramp agent who nonrevs on them. He says they feel like a very solid airplane. I dont think airframe hours are too big of an issue. The NW/DL DC-9s have been around for much longer than the Saabs and they're still goin strong. I'm not sure but I think the Saabs may all be paid for which makes any replacement very costly (in a similar boat to the NW/DL DC-9s). Sure they probaly need new interiors, they'll get new paint hopefully sooner than later. Once they get the new paint & interiors I think they'll be around for a long time.
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RE: Saab 340...what's The Lifespan?

Thu Feb 05, 2009 10:54 am



Quoting Dufo (Reply 26):
She was fine when we got her.. except three nickel sheaths on l/h prop which had to be replaced. What did you do, grease her on Aussie beaches?

Blame the ferry pilot...it was fine when it left us. wink 

...yeah we have a few nickel leading edge problems due to the environment in which we operate them. Most strips we operate out of although sealed are of pretty low standard.

It pays to do a thorough tap test when looking at buying these aircraft. If I rememebr correctly you guys contracted a 3rd party engineer from New Zealand to do your pre delivery inspection. I guess that guy won't be asked again...although in his defence he was extremely thorough and pedantic...so maybe just a bit of bad luck on the props.
 
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RE: Saab 340...what's The Lifespan?

Sat Feb 14, 2009 10:41 am

Embqa, what is a 'gaulent' ?
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RE: Saab 340...what's The Lifespan?

Sat Feb 14, 2009 9:04 pm



Quoting Max Q (Reply 30):
Embqa, what is a 'gaulent' ?

I think it is Tennessee for Gauntlet  duck 
 
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RE: Saab 340...what's The Lifespan?

Sun Feb 15, 2009 8:03 pm



Quoting Tbanger (Reply 31):

I think it is Tennessee for Gauntlet

Well.... since we are going on several weeks with the current A.net 'errors'.. one being unable to edit.. Once you post you're stuck if you make a mistake..
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RE: Saab 340...what's The Lifespan?

Mon Feb 16, 2009 2:25 am

Hey, just pulling your leg, I need a full time editor myself these days !
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