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Embraer has said they don't plan on building a product to go after the 737/320 for now because current technology just isn't better enough over that what is already available with the 737/320 offerings.
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Boeing's and Airbus' decision to delay a replacement could be because of weak markets, but could be just as well because of future technological expectations.
Very good points that I hadn't considered enough. Boeing and Airbus are wise to not launch a new type in today's market. However, given the ups and downs of the economy, and the length of time that is required to design a new jetliner, I think that they should start designing now, otherwise they will be pressed for time to develop their mainstream narrowbody replacements, and they will fall short of expectations. That said, I think that it's a great time for Bombardier to launch their rival, even with the slow economy, because its first deliveries would occur about the the time the economy will begin to peak again, unless the world politicians screw everything up, which isn't fully out of the question. I guess I'm biased towards viewing the world economy from my US perspective, but I don't see the US economic stimulus package benefiting anybody in the long-term. You can't create money without a concrete foundation, but both the Dems and Republicans alike here in the US seem to think that this practice will sustain a world economy. It might appease the TV
watching public until the next election, but it definitely won't help a single soul in the future. But, I still think that the CSeries on its current schedule, is set to enter into service about the time the airlines will be able to afford it with an economic upswing and a mass retirement of pilots due to the age 65 rule.
As for the technology, keep in mind that aviation is a very conservative industry that evolves much more slowly than what should be expected from other industries. I'm still (pleasantly) surprised that the suborbital space programs are still thriving. But, the CSeries seems to be a package that offers 787 advances in technology for narrowbody aircraft. Small trends are nice, in the relative scheme of recent aircraft advancements. Unfortunately, it seems that we will be limited to Mach .80-optimized airliners until the next generation is ready to retire, unless there is a radical revolution.
With that said, I'm definitely not trying to bash the EJets, because they are solid aircraft that serve their purpose very well. They are regional jets that offer superior comfort for passengers, at the expense of being slightly more thirsty for fuel than, say, the CRJ-900.
They do offer much better economy than the Avro's or Fokkers though. And, the 190's and 195's can more efficiently serve many routes that the -318's and 736's currently serve.
I guess to close with my comments to you, I think that the CSeries would be a perfect replacement for many aging mainline aircraft. The GTF
is almost a 21st century replacement for the JT
powered aircraft, as well as the over-engineered narrowbodies that have replaced the said aircraft so far. This cuts into the lower end of Airbus and Boeing narrowbodies, although the market has its own niche that is due for a brand new, optimized product. (eg, NW
) DC-9 routes.) The EJets are regional jets at heart, which was their design purpose. Mounting GTF
's on them would essentially be the equivalent of mounting GTF
's onto the CRJ 900/1000's. Sure, they would see some performance gains, (and become fighter performing regional jets) but the GTF
seems to be a PERFECT match for an aircraft such as the DC-9-50/MD-80/87, and to a lesser extent, the Airbus A318/19, and Boeing 736/7. (Although the A319 and 737-700 are both impressive aircraft that offer unmatched performance.)
BTW, I really can't believe that the E190/5 use the same basic engine as the CR2's! GE
must really know how to use that engine, but, those jets might be more efficient with another type of jet...just my speculation on it, don't know the facts. The E195 really seems to be the largest feasible stretch of the Ejet series with the given wing...It would surely benefit from a larger wing. (And for a separate thread in the future, how does the -190 do so well with its configuration!? 2200nm on a CRJ engine with 90 pax and wing loading similar to an MD
-80! Must be a great wing! Props to the Embraer folks...Your T-props don't take ice worth a damn, and can't heat the cabin in the winter up north until short final at the destination. The ERJ's always take weight restrictions...But the ERJ's seem solid for their current mission. I say, don't stretch it. They're great how they are. GTF
's are for the majors.
Thanks for all the great info, LightSaber! This is very interesting to read, especially from an engineer's point of view, knowing all of the facts behind the design specs. I'm glad to hear that most of you engineers support the CSeries also. I really do hope that it succeeds, because I think that if they keep the program going through the current economic hardships, then they will be golden with new customers when the need arises. Being at the right place at the right time takes a little risk.
Mark my word, Bombardier, if you continue the CSeries program and deliver a plane that meets your current specs, then you will have a winner! And if you don't somebody else will, and they will be exactly under your specs. Go for it Bombardier, or you will miss out greatly upon great opportunities!