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Cabin Service Elevators

Tue Jul 28, 2009 12:52 am

I would like to learn more about the elevators that were used by F/As to move meals and carts between the upper and lower levels of some aircraft. Which aircraft, other than the L1011 had these elevators and do you have any pictures of them?

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RE: Cabin Service Elevators

Tue Jul 28, 2009 1:07 am



Quoting JAGflyer (Thread starter):
Which aircraft, other than the L1011 had these elevators and do you have any pictures of them?

On the L-1011 they are called "galley lifts".

The elevators are found on the trailing edge of the horizontal stabilizers

Here are a couple of pictures of the L-1011 lifts:

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RE: Cabin Service Elevators

Tue Jul 28, 2009 1:11 am

I am familiar with the elevator control surface. I was refering to the "galley lift" as you said.
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RE: Cabin Service Elevators

Tue Jul 28, 2009 1:50 am

DC-10 would be the only other I can think of........
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RE: Cabin Service Elevators

Tue Jul 28, 2009 2:37 am

I vaguely remember reading that the A330/A340 had a lower galley option, but I've never seen one.
 
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RE: Cabin Service Elevators

Tue Jul 28, 2009 3:35 am



Quoting Nws2002 (Reply 4):
I vaguely remember reading that the A330/A340 had a lower galley option, but I've never seen one.

LH has lower galleys on their A340-600s.

Didn't some early 747s have lower galleys as well?
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RE: Cabin Service Elevators

Tue Jul 28, 2009 11:11 am



Quoting M11Stephen (Reply 5):
Didn't some early 747s have lower galleys as well?

Yes, AA, UA and QF.
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RE: Cabin Service Elevators

Thu Jul 30, 2009 7:04 pm



Quoting M11Stephen (Reply 5):
Didn't some early 747s have lower galleys as well?

All 744 have a cart lift from the G2 galley area to the aft u/d galley.
 
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RE: Cabin Service Elevators

Fri Jul 31, 2009 8:37 am



Quoting 474218 (Reply 1):
On the L-1011 they are called "galley lifts".

The elevators are found on the trailing edge of the horizontal stabilizers

The use of "elevator" for lifts is accepted in US English:
http://www.english-dictionary.us/meaning/elevator.asp¨

I immediately understood the subject title, even if the OP didn't use the most common name for these devices.
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RE: Cabin Service Elevators

Sat Aug 01, 2009 2:11 pm

At VS

747-100 G-VMIA had two from the main deck to lower galleys.

747-200 G-VPUF, VIBE, VSSS, VZZZ, VBEE, VRUM and VCAT from lower to upper deck

All 744

Oh and A380s have them too.
 
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RE: Cabin Service Elevators

Sat Aug 01, 2009 4:12 pm

We used to have them as well in two of our 747SR.

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RE: Cabin Service Elevators

Sat Aug 01, 2009 8:17 pm



Quoting XaraB (Reply 8):
Quoting 474218 (Reply 1):
On the L-1011 they are called "galley lifts".

The elevators are found on the trailing edge of the horizontal stabilizers

The use of "elevator" for lifts is accepted in US English:

Not only "accepted", but virtually the only word used in the U.S. (and Canada). If you ask where the "lift" is, it's unlikely anyone will know what you're talking about.
 
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RE: Cabin Service Elevators

Sat Aug 01, 2009 10:27 pm



Quoting Speedmarque (Reply 9):
At VS

747-100 G-VMIA had two from the main deck to lower galleys.


G-VMIA was a -123 built for AA.
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RE: Cabin Service Elevators

Mon Aug 03, 2009 2:56 pm



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 11):
Not only "accepted", but virtually the only word used in the U.S. (and Canada). If you ask where the "lift" is, it's unlikely anyone will know what you're talking about.

Correct, except for this business.

Boeing nomenclature for the device on 744 is "cart lift"

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RE: Cabin Service Elevators

Mon Aug 03, 2009 6:21 pm



Quoting Tod (Reply 13):
Correct, except for this business.

Boeing nomenclature for the device on 744 is "cart lift"

It doesn't matter what is correct, there are people that call the "vertical stabilizer" the 'fin'.
 
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RE: Cabin Service Elevators

Mon Aug 03, 2009 7:09 pm



Quoting DL_Mech (Reply 12):
G-VMIA was a -123 built for AA.

er............thank you?
 
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RE: Cabin Service Elevators

Mon Aug 03, 2009 11:45 pm



Quoting Speedmarque (Reply 15):
er............thank you?

Just clarifying the 747's built with lower galleys. Some people around here actually think that a 741 was built for VS.
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RE: Cabin Service Elevators

Tue Aug 04, 2009 1:37 pm

I remember flying on an AA B747 from ORD-PHX in the early 1970s. That aircraft was equipped with a lower deck galley with galley lifts. I recall thinking to myself that it was a triple deck aircraft!

At AC, we were not allowed to refer to the galley lifts on the L1011 as "elevators", as it caused too much confusion when writing snags for maintenance.

One L1011 was removed for extensive flight control maintenance when a Second Officer wrote in the maintenance log that "The left elevator intermittently sticks in the full UP position". he was, of course referring to the left galley lift.
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RE: Cabin Service Elevators

Tue Aug 04, 2009 11:18 pm



Quoting 474218 (Reply 1):

The elevators are found on the trailing edge of the horizontal stabilizers



Quoting Tod (Reply 7):

All 744 have a cart lift from the G2 galley area to the aft u/d galley.

So I think the L-1011 was the only one to have a lift that could hold a person (barring special equipment, like Presidential aircraft). However, the 747 has a dumbwaiter lift that could, conceivably, accommodate someone inside it, although not comfortably. Not sure about the DC-10. What about on the A340? Some of them have lower-level galleys. How do they move the food up and down? Surely not by a ladder...
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RE: Cabin Service Elevators

Wed Aug 05, 2009 12:32 am



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 18):
Not sure about the DC-10.

The DC-10-10s CP operated on a lease from UA had lower deck galleys as well, with a galley lift system similar to the L1011.
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RE: Cabin Service Elevators

Fri Aug 07, 2009 1:15 am



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 18):
However, the 747 has a dumbwaiter lift that could, conceivably, accommodate someone inside it, although not comfortably. Not sure about the DC-10.

The 747 Classic and DC-10 had similar setups, One Man-Sized Lift and One Cart Lift beside each other for each lower galley (AA and UA had forward and aft galleys).
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RE: Cabin Service Elevators

Fri Aug 07, 2009 3:11 am



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 18):
So I think the L-1011 was the only one to have a lift that could hold a person (barring special equipment, like Presidential aircraft).

So how does LH get someone to the lower galley of the A346 if the lift isn't an option ?
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RE: Cabin Service Elevators

Fri Aug 07, 2009 6:31 pm



Quoting LongHauler (Reply 19):
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 18):
Not sure about the DC-10.

The DC-10-10s CP operated on a lease from UA had lower deck galleys as well, with a galley lift system similar to the L1011.

All UA (and AA) DC-10-10s had lower-deck galleys. I don't think very many DC-10-10s were built with main deck galleys.
 
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RE: Cabin Service Elevators

Sat Aug 08, 2009 1:17 pm



Quoting BlueFlyer (Reply 21):
So how does LH get someone to the lower galley of the A346 if the lift isn't an option ?

Here's how.....

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RE: Cabin Service Elevators

Sat Aug 08, 2009 1:21 pm

For some reason the image didn't appear above, but this is what I meant to show....

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Lufthansa/Airbus-A340-642/0686097/L/
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