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How Far Do They Fly For Maintenance?

Wed Oct 14, 2009 1:16 pm

Dear all,

I wondered how far would an airline is willing to send their 737's for maintenance?
Is it common for a European company to send their 737's for a C/D checks in China or Thailand?


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RE: How Far Do They Fly For Maintenance?

Wed Oct 14, 2009 5:20 pm

Well, not a B733, but when I was at a major US carrier, we would take an aircraft (B767) offline at ANC, then ferry the aircraft to HKG for a major maintenance visit.
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RE: How Far Do They Fly For Maintenance?

Wed Oct 14, 2009 8:02 pm

Thanks Dispatchguy!

When it is a long-range aircraft, it is very common indeed. I know that Lufthansa is sending their A346 and 744 to Asia for overhauls, KLM is sending their MD11 to Asia as well, and so does A6 with their big Airbus.
But when it come to a 737 (or an A320), I wonder if an airline is willing to send medium range machines to MRO sites in distant places. I know that when it comes to a conversion from PAX to Cargo config there is at least one example. IAI is one of only three MRO facilities who has this certificate to convert 737 Classics from pax to cargo config - the others are Boeing ans ST Aerospace from Taiwan. So in such case airlines do send their machines no matter how far it is. But this is a special example. What is the case in ordinary C/D checks?

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RE: How Far Do They Fly For Maintenance?

Wed Oct 14, 2009 8:05 pm

Its all about costs within a safety standard.
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RE: How Far Do They Fly For Maintenance?

Wed Oct 14, 2009 10:19 pm

I know of turboprop aircraft based in Africa and Asia to be maintained in western Europe, so it happens!
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RE: How Far Do They Fly For Maintenance?

Wed Oct 14, 2009 11:28 pm

Even a short/medium haul aircraft like the 737 or Dash-8 can fly very far if empty, so I would not be surprised at rather long ferry flights for maintenance.
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RE: How Far Do They Fly For Maintenance?

Thu Oct 15, 2009 1:45 am

Caribbean Star regularly ferried their Dash 8's from ANU to Canada for heavy maintenance. LI does it every now and then.
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RE: How Far Do They Fly For Maintenance?

Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:45 am

Thanks everybody for the help!
 
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RE: How Far Do They Fly For Maintenance?

Thu Oct 15, 2009 12:27 pm

NW used to send their 747s and A330s over to HKG for maintenance as well, prior to the merger with DL.
 
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RE: How Far Do They Fly For Maintenance?

Thu Oct 15, 2009 5:27 pm



Quoting An225 (Reply 2):
I wonder if an airline is willing to send medium range machines to MRO sites in distant places.

SWA/WN sends their aircraft down to Central America for their HMVs...caused a big stink with the dispatchers union over it...
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RE: How Far Do They Fly For Maintenance?

Fri Oct 16, 2009 8:08 am



Quoting Dispatchguy (Reply 9):
caused a big stink with the dispatchers union over it...

curious why the despatchers were against that move.
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RE: How Far Do They Fly For Maintenance?

Fri Oct 16, 2009 9:36 am

It was the lack of training over it. SWA doesnt do any international ops, so the prospect of moving airplanes down to central america without any real training over international ops (from what I heard, the training was "here's a memo, go do it") kinda torqued the union off.
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RE: How Far Do They Fly For Maintenance?

Sat Oct 17, 2009 9:16 am

Qantas used to send some A330's to ZRH for maintenance at SR Technics. This was a few years ago, not sure if they still do, as far as I know they don't. They had to refuel somewhere, I think it was SIN.
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RE: How Far Do They Fly For Maintenance?

Sat Oct 17, 2009 9:30 am



Quoting Dispatchguy (Reply 11):
from what I heard, the training was "here's a memo, go do it") kinda torqued the union off.

Thats the curious part If there is an objection.......shouldn't the pilots object rather than the despatchers.
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RE: How Far Do They Fly For Maintenance?

Sat Oct 17, 2009 9:34 am

seen some phillipines and garuda aircraft in Snn in the past for heavy mx visits. maybe some contract arrangements mean this long journey for short medium range aircraft(B737,A320)
 
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RE: How Far Do They Fly For Maintenance?

Sat Oct 17, 2009 10:25 am



Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 13):
Thats the curious part If there is an objection.......shouldn't the pilots object rather than the despatchers.

Well the dispatcher's felt they were legally responsible for the flight and operational control of it, just like any other Part 121 operation. The company felt the flights were Part 91, a dispatch release was not actually needed, and any dispatch work done was only for informational purposes only.
 
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RE: How Far Do They Fly For Maintenance?

Sat Oct 17, 2009 2:27 pm



Quoting Wirelock (Reply 14):
seen some phillipines and garuda aircraft in Snn in the past for heavy mx visits. maybe some contract arrangements mean this long journey for short medium range aircraft(B737,A320)

I'm going to guess that's still just one stop if you fly with no payload and full tanks.
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RE: How Far Do They Fly For Maintenance?

Sat Oct 17, 2009 7:38 pm



Quoting Wirelock (Reply 14):
seen some phillipines and garuda aircraft in Snn in the past for heavy mx visits. maybe some contract arrangements mean this long journey for short medium range aircraft(B737,A320)


I understand that airliners from the Philippines and Garuda in Indonesia fly to SNN in Ireland. What do "contract arrangements" mean for medium range aircraft on a long flight? I would guess that they enable medium range aircraft to make long range, nonstop ferry flights but Starlionblue thinks otherwise.

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 16):
I'm going to guess that's still just one stop if you fly with no payload and full tanks.

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RE: How Far Do They Fly For Maintenance?

Sat Oct 17, 2009 9:20 pm



Quoting Caryjack (Reply 17):
I would guess that they enable medium range aircraft to make long range, nonstop ferry flights but Starlionblue thinks otherwise.

why make changes making it a 12hrs+ trip (with all the crewing issues) when you can do it in a one or maybe 2 stop? There are no passengers that care, just the crew.
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RE: How Far Do They Fly For Maintenance?

Sat Oct 17, 2009 9:33 pm

I understand that airliners from the Philippines and Garuda in Indonesia fly to SNN in Ireland. What do "contract arrangements" mean for medium range aircraft on a long flight?
well from what i understood, these companies had contracts signed with lufthansa technik and LHT sent these customers to their subsidary in SNN for heavy MX
 
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RE: How Far Do They Fly For Maintenance?

Sat Oct 17, 2009 9:42 pm

Where do KLM´s MD-11´s go for maintenace please?

Do they go empty or do they do like an odd run for pax and cargo?
(For pax this may be hard to organize).


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RE: How Far Do They Fly For Maintenance?

Sat Oct 17, 2009 9:59 pm



Quoting Chuchamadre (Reply 20):
Where do KLM´s MD-11´s go for maintenace please?

They had their D-checks done in Xiamen, I believe Finnair does some work on them in HEL (C-check maybe?), lower checks and line-maintenance at AMS are done in-house.
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RE: How Far Do They Fly For Maintenance?

Sat Oct 17, 2009 10:34 pm



Quoting Dispatchguy (Reply 9):
SWA/WN sends their aircraft down to Central America for their HMVs...

JetBlue does as well. Also, AS sends 737s to OKC and a lot of Embraers from across North America go to BNA for MX.
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RE: How Far Do They Fly For Maintenance?

Sat Oct 17, 2009 11:04 pm



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 22):
Embraers from across North America go to BNA for MX.

Saabs also go to BNA for some heavy work, we sent SF34s to BNA at S5 a while back...
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RE: How Far Do They Fly For Maintenance?

Sun Oct 18, 2009 1:35 am



Quoting Caryjack (Reply 17):
Me gusta mucho Barcelona, especialmente los edificios de la Gaudí y las playas del mar.

Huh? I mean yes I understand the Spanish but what does it have to do with me?
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RE: How Far Do They Fly For Maintenance?

Sun Oct 18, 2009 2:41 am



Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 24):
I understand the Spanish but what does it have to do with me?

Sorry for the confusion. It was meant for Wirelock and should have been placed directly below his quote in my response #17. Wirelock is from Barcelona, I've spent time there and I am studying Spanish so I thought it might work.
I did mention you in that same response so it seemed proper to then quote you. I hope this is clear.
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RE: How Far Do They Fly For Maintenance?

Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:59 am



Quoting JRadier (Reply 21):
They had their D-checks done in Xiamen

Is there such a large MD-11 maintenance plant there?
Interesting, I wonder why!
Do Fed-Ex for instance go there as well with their MD-11´s?

Quoting JRadier (Reply 21):
believe Finnair does some work on them in HEL

Another surprise, I would have thought AMS had bigger maintenance facilities than HEL.


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RE: How Far Do They Fly For Maintenance?

Mon Oct 19, 2009 7:19 am



Quoting Chuchamadre (Reply 26):
Another surprise, I would have thought AMS had bigger maintenance facilities than HEL.

Bigger does not mean cheaper.
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RE: How Far Do They Fly For Maintenance?

Mon Oct 19, 2009 3:29 pm



Quoting Chuchamadre (Reply 20):
Where do KLM´s MD-11´s go for maintenace please?

KLM sends their MD-11's to TAECO in China

Quoting Chuchamadre (Reply 26):
Do Fed-Ex for instance go there as well with their MD-11´s

FedEx sends their MD-11's to ST Aerospace in Taiwan

Thanks for all the replies

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RE: How Far Do They Fly For Maintenance?

Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:16 pm

TS is now sending their A330's to GIG, having already sent a few A310's. I've heard they are happy with the results, and not just the money, but quality of work is quite high. Unlike where they went before in RME.
 
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RE: How Far Do They Fly For Maintenance?

Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:59 pm



Quoting An225 (Reply 28):
Do Fed-Ex for instance go there as well with their MD-11´s

FedEx sends their MD-11's to ST Aerospace in Taiwan

FX has maintenance here in LAX. I don't know if they do D checks, for sure C's.
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RE: How Far Do They Fly For Maintenance?

Tue Nov 03, 2009 3:19 am



Quoting An225 (Reply 28):
FedEx sends their MD-11's to ST Aerospace in Taiwan

It is worth pointing out that FX can probably just fly to Taiwan on a duty mission, since they doubtless serve the large electronics industry there.

That way, the flight to Taiwan is nothing extra in terms of fuel or crew time. They just leave it awhile and then resume duty directly in Taiwan, carrying cargo out. But I may be wrong.
 
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RE: How Far Do They Fly For Maintenance?

Tue Nov 03, 2009 11:56 pm

I once seen a JetStar A320 in DUB in one of the hangers! If it was here for maintenance ten surely thats as far as you can go! Go any further and your almost heading back!
 
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RE: How Far Do They Fly For Maintenance?

Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:17 am

Kuwait Airways sent two 777's to SFO for landing gear changes last year. That was a 16 hour deadhead flight one way.

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