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Traffic Tower Lingo

Fri Oct 16, 2009 10:34 pm

When the traffic control tells the pilot to cross the river, does it mean cross runnway R?
I listened to ch 9 on UA to ORD and they used to tell pilots somethng about college and crossing the river.....
 
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RE: Traffic Tower Lingo

Fri Oct 16, 2009 10:47 pm



Quoting WROORD (Thread starter):
When the traffic control tells the pilot to cross the river, does it mean cross runnway R?

No such thing as runway "R", all runways are numbered, and are either left center or right.

Quoting WROORD (Thread starter):
I listened to ch 9 on UA to ORD and they used to tell pilots somethng about college and crossing the river.....

You were probably hearing them doing position reports regarding common ground reference points. Every airport out there has them in one form or another.

IE when taking off to the west in LAX in VFR conditions a lot of times tower will say something like "no turns before the beach", meaning to not start their turn until they are over the water.

When I would fly around Vegas VFR approach would tell me to proceed "direct to the stratosphere", which sets you up nicely for an arrival into VGT.
 
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RE: Traffic Tower Lingo

Fri Oct 16, 2009 11:05 pm



Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 1):
When I would fly around Vegas VFR approach would tell me to proceed "direct to the stratosphere", which sets you up nicely for an arrival into VGT.

And you'd know the non-local pilots because they would come back with "umm, my service ceiling is only about 14,000....."  Wink

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RE: Traffic Tower Lingo

Sat Oct 17, 2009 11:19 am



Quoting Mir (Reply 2):
And you'd know the non-local pilots because they would come back with "umm, my service ceiling is only about 14,000....."

Only if they were witty enough as yourself Mir to come up with that comment!  Big grin

Hey WROORD, could you provide a little more detail such as where you were when you heard these transmissions, etc, like on departure for ORD or on approach to ORD?
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RE: Traffic Tower Lingo

Sat Oct 17, 2009 8:29 pm



Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 3):
Hey WROORD, could you provide a little more detail such as where you were when you heard these transmissions, etc, like on departure for ORD or on approach to ORD?

It was on approach to ORD from LGA right after Cleveland said to contact Chicago Center. Chicago was telling pilots to go to 210 speed lower to 4K feet and somethin about crossing the river (unless it is a local jargon for Lake Michigan)?
 
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RE: Traffic Tower Lingo

Sat Oct 17, 2009 8:33 pm



Quoting WROORD (Reply 4):
It was on approach to ORD from LGA right after Cleveland said to contact Chicago Center. Chicago was telling pilots to go to 210 speed lower to 4K feet and somethin about crossing the river (unless it is a local jargon for Lake Michigan)?

Some on here much more aware of the ORD area may know of an intersection or approach fix with a name that sounds like or is RIVER, that may be what you heard as the controller was issuing a clearance to cross RIVER or whatever the fix is, at an assigned altitude or speed.
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RE: Traffic Tower Lingo

Sat Oct 17, 2009 8:57 pm

Well... not knowing who your aircraft was actually talking to... it's hard to say.

But, to assume (dangerous as that is)... They we're on with Chicago Approach since they were handed off from Cleveland Center. There are two things that I see it could have been:

27L ILS has a fix called "RIPPR" (ripper) with a note on the approach plate "When assigned by ATC, intercept glidepath at 4000' or 5000' or 6000 ft"

On the STAR "Paitn One Arrival" there is a fix called "RHIVR" (river) with a note to "Expect clearance to cross at FL200"

as for the VFR "landmarks" with the airlines GENERALLY we only get those when there are published procedure JEPP plates for certain visuals like at LGA, DCA, etc... As such, my carrier has no published JEPP plates for visual anything at ORD that would indicate to cross a physical river at any particular alt.
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RE: Traffic Tower Lingo

Sat Oct 17, 2009 8:57 pm

I noticed our controllers use the term sequence alot...

eg; "blue 622, follow company from left, he is your sequence tower @ 119.1"
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RE: Traffic Tower Lingo

Sat Oct 17, 2009 10:55 pm



Quoting Mmedford (Reply 7):
eg; "blue 622, follow company from left, he is your sequence tower @ 119.1"

Meaning he will depart after the company traffic.... I presume it is so the pilot knows to remain behind him for the entire taxi, and to expect to depart right after he does.

That term is not in the dot sixty-five for controller -> aircraft comms, so it must be a JFK thing. Normally the most something similar is used is when sequencing arrivals. I.E.
" [Pilot reports traffic to follow in sight] Follow that traffic, cleared visual approach runway 31R"
"[...] you are 5 miles in trail behind a company 737"
etc..
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RE: Traffic Tower Lingo

Sun Oct 18, 2009 2:44 am



Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 5):
Some on here much more aware of the ORD

I work in the ATCT, but I wouldn't say I'm aware of what's going on.  Smile
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RE: Traffic Tower Lingo

Sun Oct 18, 2009 2:55 am

Quoting ThePinnacleKid (Reply 6):

On the STAR "Paitn One Arrival" there is a fix called "RHIVR" (river) with a note to "Expect clearance to cross at FL200"


You gotta love the guys at the charting office, they seem to have a sense of humor, there's lots of interesting sounding fixes out there.

I remember reading an approach chart for some random airport, don't remember the spelling of the fixes but the phonetic pronunciation for the IAF/FAF/MAP sounded like meeny, miny, moe  

[Edited 2009-10-17 19:56:05]

[Edited 2009-10-17 20:29:53]

[Edited 2009-10-17 20:30:09]
 
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RE: Traffic Tower Lingo

Sun Oct 18, 2009 3:11 am

Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 10):
You gotta love the guys at the charting office, they seem to have a sense of humor, there's lots of interesting sounding fixes out there.

Yeah, they do have a good sense of humor. I can think of a few that are funny. One that comes to mind is SEXXY also in Chicago.

[Edited 2009-10-17 20:48:09]
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RE: Traffic Tower Lingo

Sun Oct 18, 2009 3:28 am

Quoting Jetmatt777 (Reply 11):

GRR260/035

GRR 260 Radial, 35 DME.

O woooooow I must be blind   

I'm a freaking CFII and I missed that. How embarrassing   

EDITED the post to hopefully make me seem less stupid  dopey 

[Edited 2009-10-17 20:31:32]
 
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RE: Traffic Tower Lingo

Sun Oct 18, 2009 3:48 am



Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 12):
EDITED the post to hopefully make me seem less stupid dopey

I'll let you off the hook with a favor. I also edited my post.  Wink
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RE: Traffic Tower Lingo

Sun Oct 18, 2009 3:51 am



Quoting Jetmatt777 (Reply 8):
Meaning he will depart after the company traffic.... I presume it is so the pilot knows to remain behind him for the entire taxi, and to expect to depart right after he does.

That term is not in the dot sixty-five for controller -> aircraft comms, so it must be a JFK thing. Normally the most something similar is used is when sequencing arrivals. I.E.
" [Pilot reports traffic to follow in sight] Follow that traffic, cleared visual approach runway 31R"
"[...] you are 5 miles in trail behind a company 737" etc..

Oh I know what they mean, just adding to the content of the thread....
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RE: Traffic Tower Lingo

Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:51 am

Silly question perhaps, but why do they sometimes call planes "heavy" after their call sign?

I hear that a lot in plane to tower conversations in episodes of Air Crash investigation etc.

Thanks,


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RE: Traffic Tower Lingo

Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:28 am



Quoting Chuchamadre (Reply 15):
Silly question perhaps, but why do they sometimes call planes "heavy" after their call sign?

"Heavy" is a designator used for airplanes with a max gross takeoff weight of 255K pounds or greater. It's used to help ensure proper separation, as heavier planes generate larger wakes, and smaller airplanes need to keep a greater distance so they don't get flipped over.
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RE: Traffic Tower Lingo

Mon Oct 19, 2009 3:36 pm



Quoting ThePinnacleKid (Reply 6):
27L ILS has a fix called "RIPPR" (ripper) with a note on the approach plate "When assigned by ATC, intercept glidepath at 4000' or 5000' or 6000 ft"

On the STAR "Paitn One Arrival" there is a fix called "RHIVR" (river) with a note to "Expect clearance to cross at FL200"

Thank you. This makes sense especially considering the speed and altitude given. Now is there something souding like "college"which I heard was given to pilots on the same approach to ORD?
Certainly the quality of sound on some communication is not clear so what seems like "college" to me miay be some abbreviated instruction.
 
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RE: Traffic Tower Lingo

Mon Oct 19, 2009 5:19 pm



Quoting WROORD (Reply 17):


Quoting ThePinnacleKid (Reply 6):
27L ILS has a fix called "RIPPR" (ripper) with a note on the approach plate "When assigned by ATC, intercept glidepath at 4000' or 5000' or 6000 ft"

On the STAR "Paitn One Arrival" there is a fix called "RHIVR" (river) with a note to "Expect clearance to cross at FL200"

Thank you. This makes sense especially considering the speed and altitude given. Now is there something souding like "college"which I heard was given to pilots on the same approach to ORD?
Certainly the quality of sound on some communication is not clear so what seems like "college" to me miay be some abbreviated instruction.

I have no clue about "College", but think that almost certainly you were hearing "RIPPR" in the context you provided as ThePinnacleKid surmised... See the chart below.

http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0910/00166IL27L.PDF
 
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RE: Traffic Tower Lingo

Mon Oct 19, 2009 5:23 pm



Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 16):
"Heavy" is a designator used for airplanes with a max gross takeoff weight of 255K pounds or greater.

Respectfully, that is just a pound incorrect!

By FAAO 7110.65S, "Heavy. Aircraft capable of takeoff weights of more than 255,000 pounds, whether or not they are operating at this weight during a particular phase of flight".
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RE: Traffic Tower Lingo

Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:56 pm



Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 1):




Quoting Mir (Reply 2):


Lmao  rotfl 

And if the controller asks and finds out your are local, they then vector you in via the outlying casinos. M to the Red Rock to Three Fingers Lake wold probably have the non local pilots in AZ.  conehead 
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RE: Traffic Tower Lingo

Mon Oct 19, 2009 9:54 pm

Thought I'd throw this in there, the Airbus A380 is designated Super because of it's combination of weight and large wake turbulence, and requires a larger spacing deficit than say, a 744 or 773.

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RE: Traffic Tower Lingo

Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:01 pm



Quoting FX772LRF (Reply 21):
Thought I'd throw this in there, the Airbus A380 is designated Super because of it's combination of weight and large wake turbulence, and requires a larger spacing deficit than say, a 744 or 773.

-Noah

Only in the US. As I recall, "Heavy" isn't even an ICAO designation, but many countries outside the US choose to use the "Heavy" callsign suffix...
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RE: Traffic Tower Lingo

Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:04 pm



Quoting KELPkid (Reply 22):
Only in the US.

Really? That doesn't make sense, unless regular heavies are spaced out enough anyway that the A380's requirements are met.

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RE: Traffic Tower Lingo

Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:33 pm



Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 10):
You gotta love the guys at the charting office, they seem to have a sense of humor, there's lots of interesting sounding fixes out there.

They must - my personal favorite:

ITAWT
ITAWA
PUDDY
TAATT
IDEED

IIRC it describes an approach into Portsmouth NH
 
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RE: Traffic Tower Lingo

Tue Oct 20, 2009 12:57 am



Quoting DaBuzzard (Reply 24):
They must - my personal favorite:

ITAWT
ITAWA
PUDDY
TAATT
IDEED

I liked KATL's YABBA, DABBA, and DOOOH for ILS 27L, but wondered how they get by with YABBA and DABBA sounding so similar in such proximity. (It's not good to go to YABBA when ATC clears you direct DABBA!) Sure enough, a short while later DABBA had its name changed; a positive for safety but not as much fun!

http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0910/00026IL27L.PDF
 
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RE: Traffic Tower Lingo

Tue Oct 20, 2009 2:52 am

Quoting DaBuzzard (Reply 24):

ITAWT
ITAWA
PUDDY
TAATT
IDEED

Yeah I remember reading that one too!   

There's many sports inspired ones too. Like in PHX, you got the SUNSS 6 arrival. Some of the waypoints are BBALL, HOOPS, SLAMN 

My favorite one in the PHX area was BRUSR (bruiser). I still remember hearing ZABQ always telling arrivals to cross BRUSR at 12000 and 250kias.

[Edited 2009-10-19 19:57:14]
 
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RE: Traffic Tower Lingo

Tue Oct 20, 2009 6:14 pm



Quoting KELPkid (Reply 22):
Only in the US. As I recall, "Heavy" isn't even an ICAO designation, but many countries outside the US choose to use the "Heavy" callsign suffix...

Just to clarify: The categories like "Heavy" and "Super" etc. are ICAO, but they don't have to be mentioned in ATC-communication in many countries. In these cases it is the controllers duty to know the wake categories based on the type in the ATC-flightplan.
More and more countries however are asking for the suffix in communication - makes it easier.
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RE: Traffic Tower Lingo

Thu Oct 22, 2009 5:26 pm



Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 26):

MDW and ORD both have Chicago-sports themed arrivals.

HALAS, BEARZ in honor of Da Bears

OZZEY, FISSK, VEECK in honor of the White Sox.
 
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RE: Traffic Tower Lingo

Fri Oct 30, 2009 1:59 am

BWI has TERPS for University of Maryland, although I always love hearing PALEO on the scanner.
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RE: Traffic Tower Lingo

Fri Oct 30, 2009 4:19 am



Quoting Lrdc9 (Reply 29):
BWI has TERPS for University of Maryland

I thought every airport has published TERPS  duck  , at least that's what the FAA's TERPS would lead you believe Big grin
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RE: Traffic Tower Lingo

Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:46 pm

I kind of take a liking to the RIICE Arrival into IAH and the name of

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 30):
I thought every airport has published TERPS

Nope, there are many airports as you know that don't have Terminal Instrument Procedures (TERPS)!!!  bouncy 

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 30):
the FAA's TERPS

There must be some connection here with turtles.  Smile

Houston also has sports theme arrivals after the professional and college area teams. ROKIT, TEXNN, RIICE, AGGEE, and formerly a STROS Arrival.

There is also a CLMBA RNAV Arrival in memory of the Space Shuttle Columbia with names of the astronauts.
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RE: Traffic Tower Lingo

Wed Nov 04, 2009 4:23 am



Quoting PGNCS (Reply 18):
http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0910/00166IL27L.PDF



Quoting PGNCS (Reply 25):
http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0910/00026IL27L.PDF

- I don't know why but those will not open up for me,

http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0911/00203RACYR.PDF

http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0911/00203INDY.PDF

Racyr One Arrival and Indy Two Departure for IND but I don't know where this name came from:

http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0911/00203ROCKY.PDF

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RE: Traffic Tower Lingo

Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:14 pm

I would agree with the above that it's likely a point in an approach procedure to follow.

A good one I heard before is GIZMO going into Pope AFB.

Also the Airport in Farmington NM, is referred to as Rattlesnak (KRSK/RSK).

There are some good ones out there tho.
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