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Boeing 777-300ER Underfloor Cargo Question

Fri Oct 30, 2009 9:04 am

While waiting for a flight at Sydney Airport recently, I noticed a non-palletized Lamborghini Gallardo being removed from the forward cargo hold of an Emirates 777-300ER.

see my video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHuSpIZ7lgc

My question is, how does non-palletized cargo such as the car get secured in the cargo hold? Surely, it couldn't have flown without some restraints.
 
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RE: Boeing 777-300ER Underfloor Cargo Question

Fri Oct 30, 2009 9:15 am

Probably just used tie-down straps according to my air-freight guru.
 
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Fri Oct 30, 2009 10:16 am



Quoting Reggaebird (Thread starter):
My question is, how does non-palletized cargo such as the car get secured in the cargo hold? Surely, it couldn't have flown without some restraints.

Well depending on the car you will have to manually position the car across two pallets which are secured and positioned in the belly of the aircraft. Once the car is moved into position and the brakes are set it is strapped down to the pallet.
 
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Fri Oct 30, 2009 4:02 pm



Quoting Beeweel15 (Reply 2):
Well depending on the car you will have to manually position the car across two pallets which are secured and positioned in the belly of the aircraft. Once the car is moved into position and the brakes are set it is strapped down to the pallet.

Yup! That's the way to do it! Works for any car.
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Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:15 pm



Quoting OtnySASLHR (Reply 3):
Quoting Beeweel15 (Reply 2):
Well depending on the car you will have to manually position the car across two pallets which are secured and positioned in the belly of the aircraft. Once the car is moved into position and the brakes are set it is strapped down to the pallet.

Yup! That's the way to do it! Works for any car.
Tony

Does the fuel tank have to be emptied? Is there any risk during turbulence?

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RE: Boeing 777-300ER Underfloor Cargo Question

Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:44 pm

Fuel tank must be near-empty - I belive most airlines allow up to around 5 liters - and the battery must be disconnected. For Dangerous Goods purposes vehicles are Class 9.

The car will be strapped down to the pallet, and provided it's done correctly, there is no risk at all. It's a piece of cake really and done on a very regular basis. Last year we had a Ferrari Enzo BAH-BRU-BGY - owner (Bahrain royal family member) sent it up for service. Couple of weeks later we sent it back again. Sadly no keys in the ignition, otherwise .....  Wink
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RE: Boeing 777-300ER Underfloor Cargo Question

Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:44 pm

The fuel tank has to be drained and the batteries have to be disconnected. The cars are tied down on regular flats (pallets) so that they cannot move during turbulence. The manual positioning onto the flats inside the lower hold is simply necessary because cars usually are overlapping and pallets have to go one by one into the hold.

On main deck loading, this is usually not a problem, if the aircraft can be nose loadsed, cars can be secured on 10' or 20' flats.
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Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:49 pm

Does DHL fly all F1 cars?

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For example how did the cars get from the Brazilian Grand Prix on 18 October first back to their home base and then on to the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix held last Sunday? If DHL do fly the cars and as they only operate two-engined aircraft are some of these approved for ETOPS operation?
 
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Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:58 pm

I remember seeing all sorts of vehicles arrive via AC Cargo. All as described above on the metal pallets. Ferrari's and other exotics. I have also watched SMART cars unloaded from the LH747's before they were officially offered in Canada. I couldn't see the pallets they were on but certainly they were so small they didn't need the large pallets.
 
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Tue Nov 03, 2009 11:11 pm

Isnt the car being pushed around on its tie down pallet?
 
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Wed Nov 04, 2009 12:14 am



Quoting VV701 (Reply 7):
Does DHL fly all F1 cars?

Yes, DHL handles Formula One Management's air freight, which includes the cars, engines and spare components, pit equipment, tool cabinets, fuel trolleys, timing stands and radio systems. Items that are either hazardous or available "on site" (screens, wiring, trolleys, generators, and tables) are shipped by sea because they are not time-sensitive and if they don't arrive, FOM can source replacements at the host venue.

The German show Inside Grand Prix did a segment on how DHL ships Toyota F1's stuff from their base in Cologne, Germany to the "fly-away" races.
 
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Wed Nov 04, 2009 12:40 am

I did a load of cars out of DXB two months ago, and it was a pain in the ass. We put PMC's on the entire main deck, with PYB's in the doorway. We also had 5 car carriers which hold two cars each. We put a grand total of 24 cars on the main deck, two in the lower forward, and one in the lower aft. This was all on a 747-400, non-nose loader. Let's just say, a Nissan Altima is a bitch to get in and out of the lower deck, but we were able to drive them both ways.

Quoting Reggaebird (Reply 4):
Does the fuel tank have to be emptied? Is there any risk during turbulence?

The fuel tank will always have some gas left in it, so that the car can be driven in and out. As for turbulence, there isn't any risk. The cars get two straps through each rim to hold it in place, it's not going anywhere. Besides, we carry way more dangerous stuff than cars. reading our NOTAC's is always a good time, especially when they are five pages long.
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Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:02 am



Quoting HNL2BOS (Reply 9):
Isnt the car being pushed around on its tie down pallet

Definitely a pallet underneath the car. Straps and tie-downs were removed before the
video started.

There is no "floor" in the cargo hold for the car to sit on, it would have to be on a pallet.
 
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Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:05 am



Quoting DC8FanJet (Reply 12):
There is no "floor" in the cargo hold for the car to sit on, it would have to be on a pallet.

It is certainly easier to secure a pallet to the plane and the car to the pallet than it is to secure a car straight to the plane.
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Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:30 am



Quoting HNL2BOS (Reply 9):
Isnt the car being pushed around on its tie down pallet?

Yes

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 13):
It is certainly easier to secure a pallet to the plane and the car to the pallet than it is to secure a car straight to the plane.

Cargo floors are thin aluminum sheets between the container rails. They are there to provide a fire break and keep trash out of the bilge area. There is no way the cargo compartment floor would support the weight of a car.
 
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Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:52 am

A few relevant photos:





 
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Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:58 am

Somewhere I read a story about a freighter pilot who noticed there was an exotic car in the hold. He decided to check it out during the flight and somehow got himself locked in. The other pilot then had to perform an emergency landing.

Does anyone know if this story is true or not? It sounds like an urban myth to me, but stranger things have happened.
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Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:07 am



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 16):
Does anyone know if this story is true or not? It sounds like an urban myth to me, but stranger things have happened.

I dont see how it would be possible, since you can manually unlock the car from the inside.
 
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Quoting Stitch (Reply 17):
I dont see how it would be possible, since you can manually unlock the car from the inside.

I recall that the story said that the car was a replacement for one that had been stolen, and was specially fitted with a system that would lock the doors automatically unless the key was put in the ignition or something like that.
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Quoting Stitch (Reply 17):
I dont see how it would be possible, since you can manually unlock the car from the inside.

Not many BMWs.

We had our family car air shipped. Mom worked for UA and moved from LAX to CHI. Rather than paying to ship the car or pay us to drive it, UA air shipped it (space available) on their own freighter.
 
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RE: Boeing 777-300ER Underfloor Cargo Question

Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:58 am

I would tell those rampers to get their dirty hands off my baby!! I hope they didn't scratch her, looks like they manhandled her
 
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Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:23 am

See here for a great a.nut article about "Little Amy", a DC-8 flying around the Marshall Islands. There are pics of loading/offloading with their makeshift ramp.

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-articles/read.main?id=52A

http://www.airliners.net/articles/graphics/RAMPONE.jpg
http://www.airliners.net/articles/graphics/RAMPCLOS.jpg
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Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:36 am



Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 21):
See here for a great a.nut article about "Little Amy", a DC-8 flying around the Marshall Islands. There are pics of loading/offloading with their makeshift ramp.

Didn't Dan-Air used to run a cross-channel car ferry service with Comets?
 
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Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:10 pm



Quoting Rwessel (Reply 22):
Didn't Dan-Air used to run a cross-channel car ferry service with Comets?

No. It was run from Lydd in England to Le Touquet in France by a firm that was called British Air ferries at the end. Originally with Bristol Freighters and latterly with converted DC4s with nose loading doors.
The cars were driven up a ramp in through the nose, and the drivers and pax travelled on board.
 
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RE: Boeing 777-300ER Underfloor Cargo Question

Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:12 pm



Quoting TristarSteve (Reply 23):

Which would be this:


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Quoting FX772LRF (Reply 24):
Quoting TristarSteve (Reply 23):


Which would be this:

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