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Beacon Light During Flight

Thu Dec 03, 2009 4:42 pm

I am wondering about the beacon light.

It comes on once the aircraft is active on the ground i.e. whenever the aircraft is moving or has it´s engines on. Inflight the strobe light is turned on. However I have noticed, or at least I think so, that during cruise the beacon light is turned off. Is this true. You can often see the reflection from the beacon on the engine and such should be able to tell whether it is on or not.

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RE: Beacon Light During Flight

Thu Dec 03, 2009 5:06 pm

The beacon lights always remain on as a means of aircraft identification. The same is true for the wing and tail strobe lights.

The only exception to this that I am aware of is turning off the strobes in IMC during approach.
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RE: Beacon Light During Flight

Thu Dec 03, 2009 5:06 pm

Nope, not true. The beacon stays on until we block in.
 
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RE: Beacon Light During Flight

Thu Dec 03, 2009 5:08 pm

I've noticed sometimes that the strobe light might be turned off in continuous cloud cover, but usually the beacon light is kept on - particularly at night. My guess is to alert other traffic of your proximity. In the daytime, however, it may be difficult to determine whether or not the beacons and/or strobes are on - at least from a cabin point of view.
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RE: Beacon Light During Flight

Thu Dec 03, 2009 5:15 pm

Well if I remember correctly it's :

- Red beacon on when engines on, and off when aircraft parked at the gate
- Strobe lights on when entering the runway, off when exiting the runway after landing (they remain on during the whole flight)
- Landing lights on when entering the runway, and off at 10.000 feet or when exiting the runway
- Taxi lights whenever required
- Wing flood lights and tail logo lights as required and according to company specs

Is this correct ? That's the way I remember it anyway...

[Edited 2009-12-03 09:17:09]
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RE: Beacon Light During Flight

Thu Dec 03, 2009 5:24 pm

The beacon stays on from block in to block out. Strobes vary, but mostly from takeoff to clearing the landing runway. Landing lights (and all lights for max illumination) when crossing an active runway. Logo lights are always a good idea in the air.
 
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RE: Beacon Light During Flight

Thu Dec 03, 2009 6:04 pm



Quoting Eaa3 (Thread starter):
However I have noticed, or at least I think so, that during cruise the beacon light is turned off. Is this true.

Nope. The red flashing beacon light above and below the airplane stay on from push to engine shut down and chocks on at the gate. This is true of any airplane, from a Piper Cub to an A380.
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RE: Beacon Light During Flight

Thu Dec 03, 2009 6:25 pm

Sorry, I have a question about lights as well. I noticed many Southwest planes have landing lights that alter in intensity (Left bright, Right dim, then the other way around) saw this in Burbank and Houston. Are these per "carrier specs." or controlled by the pilot? Any reason for this?
Also, when do usually the landing lights come on during approach?

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RE: Beacon Light During Flight

Thu Dec 03, 2009 6:26 pm



Quoting Md88captain (Reply 5):
Logo lights are always a good idea in the air.

Why would this be? It would seem that they would be most effective on the ground (both for marketing and identifiability for other pilots and ATC), but once in the air it wouldn't make a whole lot of difference due to the presence of all the other lights.

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RE: Beacon Light During Flight

Thu Dec 03, 2009 6:42 pm



Quoting Mir (Reply 8):
Why would this be? It would seem that they would be most effective on the ground (both for marketing and identifiability for other pilots and ATC), but once in the air it wouldn't make a whole lot of difference due to the presence of all the other lights.

They are on to allow other pilots to see you easily, especially during the night.

Quoting B727fan (Reply 7):
Also, when do usually the landing lights come on during approach?

Landing lights below 10.000´ and taxi lights when gear down.

Quoting AF1624 (Reply 4):
Well if I remember correctly it's :

- Red beacon on when engines on, and off when aircraft parked at the gate
- Strobe lights on when entering the runway, off when exiting the runway after landing (they remain on during the whole flight)
- Landing lights on when entering the runway, and off at 10.000 feet or when exiting the runway
- Taxi lights whenever required
- Wing flood lights and tail logo lights as required and according to company specs

Is this correct ? That's the way I remember it anyway...

[Edited 2009-12-03 09:17:09]

You have a very good memory.....

Quoting NASBWI (Reply 3):
I've noticed sometimes that the strobe light might be turned off in continuous cloud cover

Yes, because is very annoying in the cockpit. Also sometimes landing lights are off when we are in dense clouds and during the night.
 
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RE: Beacon Light During Flight

Thu Dec 03, 2009 6:45 pm



Quoting B727fan (Reply 7):
Sorry, I have a question about lights as well. I noticed many Southwest planes have landing lights that alter in intensity (Left bright, Right dim, then the other way around) saw this in Burbank and Houston. Are these per "carrier specs." or controlled by the pilot? Any reason for this?
Also, when do usually the landing lights come on during approach?

I asked this the first time I saw an aircraft landing with alternating landing lights. The reasons given were that the lights last longer than with continuous usage. Also they supposedly make birds more aware of an aircraft approaching.

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RE: Beacon Light During Flight

Thu Dec 03, 2009 6:52 pm



Quoting B727fan (Reply 7):
I noticed many Southwest planes have landing lights that alter in intensity (Left bright, Right dim, then the other way around) saw this in Burbank and Houston. Are these per "carrier specs." or controlled by the pilot? Any reason for this?

I believe they are pulsating landing lights. Controlled by the pilot and I read they are only available on some 737s, not older -300s and not the NGs.

I have also seen business jets with pulsating lights, but off the top of my head don’t remember which types.

It is easier to see the plane with pulsating landing lights, and I would think it might help the life of the light.
 
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RE: Beacon Light During Flight

Thu Dec 03, 2009 7:03 pm



Quoting AF1624 (Reply 4):
- Landing lights on when entering the runway, and off at 10.000 feet or when exiting the runway

Can also be company dependent: A Delta Captain (B757/B767) told me they leave the landing lights on until FL180.
Another example: An easyjet pilot wrote that he usually switches the ldg lts off after take off, and on when he's on the final turn (it's a credible source). EZY, of course, flies far off any FAA controlled area.
However, 10 000' feet is a good value nonetheless  Wink
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RE: Beacon Light During Flight

Thu Dec 03, 2009 7:14 pm

The red beacon light comes on before pushback (alert ground staff that the plane is about to move and have engines started) and switches off after engine shutdown.

Tail logo off under 10 000' (depends on company though).
Landing lights/seat belt on/off passing 10 000'

White strobe light, on when entering a runway (doesnt have to be active) and exit. They will turn it off in clouds as its not good for the eyes to have that flashing light and also can cause illusions.

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RE: Beacon Light During Flight

Thu Dec 03, 2009 7:15 pm

The Red Beacon is switched on when the engines are running, the aircraft is moving, flying etc...
Its a sign, that you should be beware of the aircraft. It signals ground personnel to watch out...
On some small jets you already switch on the beacon if the APU is running because of the exhaust...
 
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RE: Beacon Light During Flight

Thu Dec 03, 2009 8:59 pm



Quoting DRAIGONAIR (Reply 13):
The red beacon light comes on before pushback (alert ground staff that the plane is about to move and have engines started) and switches off after engine shutdown.

Yes usually the crew will activate the red beacon lights just prior to pushback. Also they can be inop as all lights can during daylight hrs. Now at night most airlines I have worked for you can have the red beacon lights inop at night as long as the wing strobes work and vice versa. Also have to have ATLEAST one red and one green nav light and one each white tail light on each wing also must be operative at night.
 
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RE: Beacon Light During Flight

Thu Dec 03, 2009 9:10 pm



Quoting Luftfahrer (Reply 12):

Can also be company dependent: A Delta Captain (B757/B767) told me they leave the landing lights on until FL180.
Another example: An easyjet pilot wrote that he usually switches the ldg lts off after take off, and on when he's on the final turn (it's a credible source). EZY, of course, flies far off any FAA controlled area.
However, 10 000' feet is a good value nonetheless Wink

On the A320 series I believe that the landing light´s drop down from under the wing. On many other aircraft they are simply intergrated in the wing. Might this be a factor in A320 series pilots turning them of sooner i.e. not that it´s a problem that it sticks out but rather that they are aware of it and feel that, like the landing gear, it is not appropriate or something to keep it down for to long.
 
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RE: Beacon Light During Flight

Thu Dec 03, 2009 9:27 pm



Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 6):
Nope. The red flashing beacon light above and below the airplane stay on from push to engine shut down and chocks on at the gate. This is true of any airplane, from a Piper Cub to an A380.

Speaking from the GA side, not true. There is no daylight requirement to use any lights anywhere in Part 91 (USA Federal Air Regulations). In fact, many of the old Piper Cubs don't have an electrical system at all  Wink

Of course, most of us GA drivers who have been trained in the last 10 years or so do follow the same guidelines as most pro operators, and turn on the beacon (and strobes upon entering the runway environment) at engine start and off at shutdown (if the aircraft is so equipped...  Smile ). Numerous FAA stuides and advisories have concluded that beacons, strobes, and landing lights in daylight are pretty good to aid us in See and Avoid.
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RE: Beacon Light During Flight

Thu Dec 03, 2009 9:36 pm



Quoting KELPkid (Reply 17):
There is no daylight requirement to use any lights anywhere in Part 91

I respectfully disagree. 91.209(b): (No person may) Operate an aircraft that is equipped with an anticollision light system, unless it has lighted anticollision lights. However, the anticollision lights need not be lighted when the pilot-in-command determines that, because of operating conditions, it would be in the interest of safety to turn the lights off.

This means non-working anticollision (beacon and/or strobe, as the airframe was certificated) lights render a Part 91 flight no-go under normal circumstances, day or night. Subsection a of 91.209 refers to nighttime lighting, but I believe subsection b refers to all hours.
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RE: Beacon Light During Flight

Thu Dec 03, 2009 10:23 pm



Quoting AF1624 (Reply 4):

- Red beacon on when engines on, and off when aircraft parked at the gate

I think they're turned on before the aircraft can maneuver, even if it's just being towed across the field. Unless it's parked at the gate, it's off. It usually goes on right before push.
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RE: Beacon Light During Flight

Fri Dec 04, 2009 5:10 am



Quoting Bri2k1 (Reply 18):
I respectfully disagree. 91.209(b): (No person may) Operate an aircraft that is equipped with an anticollision light system, unless it has lighted anticollision lights. However, the anticollision lights need not be lighted when the pilot-in-command determines that, because of operating conditions, it would be in the interest of safety to turn the lights off.

Yup, I'll agree with that. But, as my name sake would imply, I fly Diamond's a lot. They have no beacon light, and only white strobes. At night, I never turn them on until we pull on the runway. Blinds way to many other people. Also, not all airplanes have them (anti-collision/beacon lights), especially if they were certificated prior to 11 March 1996.

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RE: Beacon Light During Flight

Fri Dec 04, 2009 5:52 am



Quoting Bri2k1 (Reply 18):
I respectfully disagree. 91.209(b): (No person may) Operate an aircraft that is equipped with an anticollision light system, unless it has lighted anticollision lights. However, the anticollision lights need not be lighted when the pilot-in-command determines that, because of operating conditions, it would be in the interest of safety to turn the lights off.

Mea culpa. However, I noticed this little tidbit in the electronic CFR's:

Quote:

[Doc. No. 27806, 61 FR 5171, Feb. 9, 1996]

I got my PPL in '95...and no instructor or check airman since has popped that one on me.

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 20):
. Also, not all airplanes have them (anti-collision/beacon lights), especially if they were certificated prior to 11 March 1996.

Most Cessna "spamcans" were built with a rotating beacon. I remember turning the one in the Cessna 150H I soloed in off in daylight because if you didn't, it created a very annoying noise through the intercom (it was an electronically pulsated incandescent light behind a round red "Cop Car" lens...). Almost makes me wonder if it would qualify nowadays under this exception in § 91.209:

Quote:
(b) Operate an aircraft that is equipped with an anticollision light system, unless it has lighted anticollision lights. However, the anticollision lights need not be lighted when the pilot-in-command determines that, because of operating conditions, it would be in the interest of safety to turn the lights off.

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RE: Beacon Light During Flight

Fri Dec 04, 2009 1:14 pm



Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 20):
At night, I never turn them on until we pull on the runway.

Yes, a hot topic of discussion with some pilots, since there are now inconsistencies with the assumed rule with GA aircraft, that the anti-collisions lights are on whenever the engine is running (or about to be). I see some Diamond checklists have turning on of strobes at same time as engine start, but you are right to leave them off until takeoff (as per the FAR) if you think they're going to affect other pilots. Ironic ... you're switching off a device that is supposed to prevent collisions because it might impair pilot's vision  Wink

IMO if an aircraft can satisfy regulations by not having a rotating/flashing beacon, you should be able to turn on the alternate system at any time. Tough if it's bright strobes.

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 20):
Also, not all airplanes have them (anti-collision/beacon lights), especially if they were certificated prior to 11 March 1996.

I've never flown a GA aircraft (with an electrical system) that didn't have a beacon, and almost all were certified before that date.

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RE: Beacon Light During Flight

Fri Dec 04, 2009 2:20 pm



Quoting KELPkid (Reply 21):
very annoying noise through the intercom

Some of the 172Ns in my club have this neat feature, too. It's noticeable, but doesn't interfere with comms.

We also have two Katanas, a Diamond Star, and a Twin Star. I fly the Diamond Star pretty often, and I usually turn the strobes on before engine start, but if it's dark or hazy, turn them back off for taxi.
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RE: Beacon Light During Flight

Fri Dec 04, 2009 2:23 pm



Quoting KELPkid (Reply 21):
I got my PPL in '95

I meant to add this: my instructor still gives me a ration if I don't buy a new set of FARs every year and put sticky notes on the important pages. I'm not studying for a new rating or giving instruction or anything, but he will jibe me at every flight review or other times I see him if I'm using last year's FARs. So I guess you are lucky  Smile
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RE: Beacon Light During Flight

Fri Dec 04, 2009 3:23 pm

At our club, the beacon is left permanently on so that it will illuminate whenever the master is on. That way, we can spot if other pilots walk off leaving the master on, thus preventing a drained battery!

We also will not send an aircraft out if the beacon is u/s - I believe that is JAA law.
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RE: Beacon Light During Flight

Fri Dec 04, 2009 6:18 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 19):
I think they're turned on before the aircraft can maneuver, even if it's just being towed across the field. Unless it's parked at the gate, it's off. It usually goes on right before push.

Practice over here is as follows to alert any ground traffic in the vicinity: Beacons ON when start of first engine is imminent, beacons OFF only after last engine is shut down. And of course any time an aircraft is being towed or in the event push back occurs before engine start.

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RE: Beacon Light During Flight

Fri Dec 04, 2009 10:03 pm



Quoting Bond007 (Reply 22):
I've never flown a GA aircraft (with an electrical system) that didn't have a beacon, and almost all were certified before that date.

I've flown one, but it was built in 1946. Aeronca Champ, but for the US Military, as an L-16. Lots of fun, but really not practical as an everyday airplane

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RE: Beacon Light During Flight

Fri Dec 04, 2009 10:33 pm



Quoting Eaa3 (Reply 16):
On the A320 series I believe that the landing light´s drop down from under the wing.

Correct. They drop down from the underside of the wings, close to the belly.

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Quoting Eaa3 (Reply 16):
Might this be a factor in A320 series

Not sure if that is the reason, because I recall having seen an MD80 video from SK where the pilot turned off the ldg/taxi lights right away after the gear was up. The Maddog's landing lights are located at the edge of each wing (also drop down, though).


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I assume it's the non-existence of prescribed (landing) light usage in Europe, as opposed to the FAA who apparently have clearer rules in this aspect, combined with pilot's discretion/company procedures.
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RE: Beacon Light During Flight

Sat Dec 05, 2009 12:16 am



Quoting Bri2k1 (Reply 24):
I meant to add this: my instructor still gives me a ration if I don't buy a new set of FARs every year and put sticky notes on the important pages. I'm not studying for a new rating or giving instruction or anything, but he will jibe me at every flight review or other times I see him if I'm using last year's FARs. So I guess you are lucky

Oh yeah, when I'm actively flying, I'll go down to Barnes and Noble or Borders and buy the new FAR/AIM. No medical at the moment, though  Sad Working on getting it back, but the new kid in the house is priority #1 at the moment...

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