propilot83
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Freighter & Commercial Aircraft Certification

Fri Dec 11, 2009 5:52 am

This question is for the expert. Now that Boeing has developed the first 747-8 that is a Cargo version for Cargolux, not a passenger version, once the FAA certifies the aircraft "air worthiness," on the 747-8F, does Boeing still have to pass FAA certification on the passenger version of the 747-8? Is there a website of what an FAA Certification looks like?
 
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RE: Freighter & Commercial Aircraft Certification

Fri Dec 11, 2009 6:27 am



Quoting Propilot83 (Thread starter):
Now that Boeing has developed the first 747-8 that is a Cargo version for Cargolux, not a passenger version, once the FAA certifies the aircraft "air worthiness," on the 747-8F, does Boeing still have to pass FAA certification on the passenger version of the 747-8?

The short answer is yes. The long answer is that some, but not all, certification can carry over. Things that are the same between the two models (e.g. propulsion) should carry directly over. Things that are different (e.g. aerodynamics) would have to be tested again. And passenger and freighter models have some different FAR's (e.g. fire detection/extinguishing), so you'd have to show compliance to different rules.

Quoting Propilot83 (Thread starter):
Is there a website of what an FAA Certification looks like?

You can see the Type Certificate Data Sheets (TCDS) here:
http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Gu...keModel.nsf/MainFrame?OpenFrameSet

The actual Type Certificate is an FAA Form 8110-9:
http://www.gulfstream.com/news/relea...s_images/images/certificate_hr.jpg

This document tells you more than you'd probably ever want to know about what goes into type certification:
http://www.alaska.faa.gov/flt_std/aws/media/8110-4.pdf

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RE: Freighter & Commercial Aircraft Certification

Fri Dec 11, 2009 6:50 am

Tdscanuck thanks so much for answering my question, I do appreciate you very well.  Wink
 
propilot83
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RE: Freighter & Commercial Aircraft Certification

Fri Dec 11, 2009 7:37 am

Tdscanuck where can I get certificates of Boeing aircraft like the 747 just like the gulfstream certificate you posted?
 
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RE: Freighter & Commercial Aircraft Certification

Fri Dec 11, 2009 7:53 pm



Quoting Propilot83 (Reply 3):
Tdscanuck where can I get certificates of Boeing aircraft like the 747 just like the gulfstream certificate you posted?

I don't know. I was trying really hard to find that and couldn't find a general database. I only found the Gulfstream one by doing a Google image search. I can't figure out why the FAA doesn't list these online along with the TCDS's.

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RE: Freighter & Commercial Aircraft Certification

Sat Dec 12, 2009 12:29 am



Quoting Tdscanuck (Reply 1):
This document tells you more than you'd probably ever want to know about what goes into type certification:
http://www.alaska.faa.gov/flt_std/aw...4.pdf

Just to be accurate, 8110.4C is the latest version.

Quoting Tdscanuck (Reply 4):
Quoting Propilot83 (Reply 3):
Tdscanuck where can I get certificates of Boeing aircraft like the 747 just like the gulfstream certificate you posted?

I don't know. I was trying really hard to find that and couldn't find a general database. I only found the Gulfstream one by doing a Google image search. I can't figure out why the FAA doesn't list these online along with the TCDS's.

I think it may be because its considered proprietary to the TC holder. The TCDS contains far more information anyway. You will notice that the STC's that are listed are copies and the originals are on file with the holder.
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RE: Freighter & Commercial Aircraft Certification

Thu Dec 24, 2009 10:50 pm



Quoting TZTriStar500 (Reply 5):
think it may be because its considered proprietary to the TC holder. The TCDS contains far more information anyway. You will notice that the STC's that are listed are copies and the originals are on file with the holder.

The substantiation data submitted to the FAA for type certification is held as proprietory.

That is why when applying to get an STC on a Boeing aircraft you can no long claim something is airworthy on that aircraft just because Boeing previously did it that way. Either get the revelent data from Boeing or generate it yourself.
 
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RE: Freighter & Commercial Aircraft Certification

Fri Dec 25, 2009 12:27 am



Quoting Propilot83 (Reply 3):
Tdscanuck where can I get certificates of Boeing aircraft like the 747 just like the gulfstream certificate you posted?

WWW.faa.gov

http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory...keModel.nsf/MainFrame?OpenFrameSet
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