ups757
Posts: 38
Joined: Thu Jun 02, 2005 11:28 am

MD-11 Turn Time

Fri Feb 05, 2010 3:55 am

Currently UPS only allows us 2 hours to completely down load and up load an MD-11.
Does anyone know if this is the industry standard turn time on MD-11?

UPS now has us down to 1 hour turn on a complete down load & up load on an A300.

Have a great day
 
n685fe
Posts: 337
Joined: Fri Dec 12, 2003 7:01 am

RE: MD-11 Turn Time

Fri Feb 05, 2010 4:14 am

That sounds about right, not too far off. It takes our load crews about 20-25 min to download an 11, but that is with part of the crew doing the main deck and three others doing all the lowers. It could be reloaded with in an hour but that means your hauling yesterdays freight. It doesn't make sense to have your schedule based on an hour turn time if you are hauling next day freight.
psp. lead by example
 
dfwramper
Posts: 29
Joined: Fri Nov 28, 2008 2:06 am

RE: MD-11 Turn Time

Fri Feb 05, 2010 4:26 am

I can tell you that FedEx plans 90 minutes for a complete MD-11 turn from block in to block out. Typically 35 min to download and 50 min to upload with a crew of about 17, though I've seen it done with as little as 14 (depends if you are loading Aft bulk).
 
upsphl
Posts: 5
Joined: Wed Jan 20, 2010 4:52 pm

RE: MD-11 Turn Time

Fri Feb 05, 2010 4:37 am

up here in PHL we turned md's under an hour before and a300 in 40 minutes, Tuesday threw Thursday i have to quick turn and a300 from DFW stop in PHL then to BOS. In ups we have to unload sections at a time rear pit then topside then front pit then on the load Vi's verso. i think FedEx ties the md's down not a 100% sure.
 
dfwramper
Posts: 29
Joined: Fri Nov 28, 2008 2:06 am

RE: MD-11 Turn Time

Fri Feb 05, 2010 4:44 am

Quoting upsphl (Reply 3):
i think FedEx ties the md's down not a 100% sure.

Yeah, we'll use either a weight cart or nose tether. Sequential Off/Onload takes too long!
 
upsphl
Posts: 5
Joined: Wed Jan 20, 2010 4:52 pm

RE: MD-11 Turn Time

Fri Feb 05, 2010 4:49 am

i know it takes forever if your taking your time i wish we did something like that in ups would be so much easier.
 
n685fe
Posts: 337
Joined: Fri Dec 12, 2003 7:01 am

RE: MD-11 Turn Time

Fri Feb 05, 2010 4:54 am

Yes, sequential does add alot of time. It kind of works out sequentially anyway, if you have 4-5 ppl top side, one can is rolling back into position as the next one is coming in off the loader. Also, you have to let the belly guys know when a heavy can is coming in the door so the a/c doesn't settle onto an LD3 while being loaded.
psp. lead by example
 
upsphl
Posts: 5
Joined: Wed Jan 20, 2010 4:52 pm

RE: MD-11 Turn Time

Fri Feb 05, 2010 4:59 am

in UPS procedure is to start topside when the front pit is loaded and load the rear pit and belly when topside is done but we have to cheat all the time to get the plane out on time i start the rear pit around eight left.
 
n685fe
Posts: 337
Joined: Fri Dec 12, 2003 7:01 am

RE: MD-11 Turn Time

Fri Feb 05, 2010 4:59 am

Quoting N685FE (Reply 1):
It could be reloaded with in an hour but that means your hauling yesterdays freight. It doesn't make sense to have your schedule based on an hour turn time if you are hauling next day freight.



I'm thinking of operations at a hub above. At an out station you would be able to turn you a/c quickly and not have to sort the freight you just unloaded.
psp. lead by example
 
n685fe
Posts: 337
Joined: Fri Dec 12, 2003 7:01 am

RE: MD-11 Turn Time

Fri Feb 05, 2010 5:06 am

When I worked the ramp we had a topside team and a belly team. If the a/c came in late we would use extra ppl from another flt and work all at the same time. We would also beef up ppl upstairs and extra tug drivers so we didn't have to wait for them to switch strings (4 dollies). So a late plane could easily have twice as many ppl then a normal plane, but that would most likely happen at an outstation not at a hub.
psp. lead by example
 
upsphl
Posts: 5
Joined: Wed Jan 20, 2010 4:52 pm

RE: MD-11 Turn Time

Fri Feb 05, 2010 5:38 am

I have about 23 people people on my crew when are md's come in late we unload rear pit and topside same time just to shade some minutes off. I have about 6 driver with 4 trains (4 dollies) but there are little ways to shade time off a load and unload on md's. Its actually an easy plane to load and unload.

any FedEx people do you guys load the right side first then left side?
 
dfwramper
Posts: 29
Joined: Fri Nov 28, 2008 2:06 am

RE: MD-11 Turn Time

Fri Feb 05, 2010 5:42 am

Quoting upsphl (Reply 10):
any FedEx people do you guys load the right side first then left side?

We'll load the front bellies ("pits") simultaneously with starting topside...most of the time we'll load ahead on the right side, but only about 3-4 positions. For example, we'll finish up the right side and have 2L-6L open for the last cans.

1L is usually loaded near the end of onload as it's the Haz can usually.
 
upsphl
Posts: 5
Joined: Wed Jan 20, 2010 4:52 pm

RE: MD-11 Turn Time

Fri Feb 05, 2010 5:58 am

In ups it's way different we load front pit first .Topside we load 1L and 1r then position 14 13 then 12L and R then 11R to 3R then the left side last I'm guessing are md"s are configure different are topside door position is 2L.
 
Flyer732
Posts: 1321
Joined: Wed Nov 03, 1999 6:09 am

RE: MD-11 Turn Time

Fri Feb 05, 2010 9:58 am

2 hours is enough when all your freight is containerized, with maybe some bulk. You need 3 hours if you're flying palletized freight, which is typically far more difficult than container flying.

I set up a new contract a few years ago with an MD11F, it was going to be all pallets and no containers. They scheduled the turns for 2 hours, and every day we were taking delays for the offload/onload. They finally changed the turns to 3 hours and the on-time performance went up.
 
airtran737
Posts: 3234
Joined: Mon Apr 05, 2004 3:47 am

RE: MD-11 Turn Time

Fri Feb 05, 2010 10:26 am

It also matters where in the world you are doing the turn at. LEJ, BRU, SDF, MEM, two hours enough for cntainerized freight. If you are in some craphole African city, then there is no way you are gettin out of there in two hours.
Nice Trip Report!!! Great Pics, thanks for posting!!!! B747Forever
 
Sancho99504
Posts: 274
Joined: Sun Dec 11, 2005 2:44 pm

RE: MD-11 Turn Time

Fri Feb 12, 2010 6:04 pm

at ORD with 5 people on LH md11s we could do it in an hour and 15 if the warehouse system doesnt get backed up. BR, WO, and CK md11s take more time as they dont have maindeck pdus.
kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out-USMC
 
n685fe
Posts: 337
Joined: Fri Dec 12, 2003 7:01 am

RE: MD-11 Turn Time

Sat Feb 13, 2010 12:37 am

Quoting sancho99504 (Reply 15):
at ORD with 5 people on LH md11s we could do it in an hour and 15 if the warehouse system doesnt get backed up. BR, WO, and CK md11s take more time as they dont have maindeck pdus.



Only five on your entire crew, is that for an entire off and on load? Thats working your crew like rented sled dogs, how many a/c can you guys do/last at that pace?
PDUs????? Ours have long been removed from the main deck. The Airbus still have them installed in the lowers.
psp. lead by example
 
Sancho99504
Posts: 274
Joined: Sun Dec 11, 2005 2:44 pm

RE: MD-11 Turn Time

Tue Feb 16, 2010 1:51 am

Quoting N685FE (Reply 16):

with LH we did 2 turns a night, but with BR, we did 1 turn with their md11 and 1 with a 744f. CK usually once a month for the md11, mostly 744f. its pretty simple, 3 people upstairs pushing, 1 on the mdl, 1 person for the ldl, and i did all the driving. using transporters makes it real easy.
kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out-USMC

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: mmo, SAAFNAV and 16 guests

Popular Searches On Airliners.net

Top Photos of Last:   24 Hours  •  48 Hours  •  7 Days  •  30 Days  •  180 Days  •  365 Days  •  All Time

Military Aircraft Every type from fighters to helicopters from air forces around the globe

Classic Airliners Props and jets from the good old days

Flight Decks Views from inside the cockpit

Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos