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737 Classic Cockpit Evolution

Tue Feb 23, 2010 4:43 pm

Hi

I have noticed in some photo's that the classic 737 has 3 different types of cockpit layout.

I always thought that when the 737-300 was rolled out it came with an EFIS PFD & NAV Display but i have seen some completey analogue (737-200) type cockpits on the -300.

Does anybody know when:

1) The EFIS was rolled out as standard?

2) The digital engine indication system was rolled out as standard?



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RE: 737 Classic Cockpit Evolution

Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:29 pm

It probably depends a bit on the customer. If the operator also had some 737 Jurassics, they might have wanted to keep commonality backwards.
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RE: 737 Classic Cockpit Evolution

Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:58 pm

The EFIS was actually introduced on the 737-500, and was subsequently offered as a production option on 737-300's and 737-400's manufactured after the -500 was certified...

WN actually paid extra for Boeing to put a classic six pack cockpit in the -500's (for commonality with the rest of the fleet, which at the time was a mix of -300's and -200Adv's)   
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RE: 737 Classic Cockpit Evolution

Wed Feb 24, 2010 4:13 am

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 1):
WN actually paid extra for Boeing to put a classic six pack cockpit in the -500's (for commonality with the rest of the fleet, which at the time was a mix of -300's and -200Adv's

That must have been fun once they started buying -700s...
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RE: 737 Classic Cockpit Evolution

Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:07 am

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 3):
That must have been fun once they started buying -700s...

They just had Boeing program the EFIS displays in the -700's to emulate a six pack  
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RE: 737 Classic Cockpit Evolution

Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:07 am

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 3):
That must have been fun once they started buying -700s...

Bwahahahaha...

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 2):
The EFIS was actually introduced on the 737-500, and was subsequently offered as a production option on 737-300's and 737-400's manufactured after the -500 was certified...

WN actually paid extra for Boeing to put a classic six pack cockpit in the -500's (for commonality with the rest of the fleet, which at the time was a mix of -300's and -200Adv's)

I thought EFIS was an option since the first 733 days, but it became standard once the -500s were being produced?

I think WN had a lot of things dumbed down on the 733/5s until the NGs came... No Autobrakes, No VNAV, No A/T up to a point... can't remember what the things they went for...

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RE: 737 Classic Cockpit Evolution

Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:50 am

Wait.

Quoting mandala499 (Reply 5):
I think WN had a lot of things dumbed down on the 733/5s until the NGs came... No Autobrakes, No VNAV, No A/T up to a point... can't remember what the things they went for...

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RE: 737 Classic Cockpit Evolution

Wed Feb 24, 2010 10:20 am

I was just looking at some WN 733 flight decks and they have only 1 FMC and no N1, SPEED, or VNAV

But they do have LVL CHANGE

So LVL Change just holds a speed via pitch attitude with a manually set power setting??

So NO AUTOTHRUST. That does surprise me.
 
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RE: 737 Classic Cockpit Evolution

Wed Feb 24, 2010 10:02 pm

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 3):
Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 1):
WN actually paid extra for Boeing to put a classic six pack cockpit in the -500's (for commonality with the rest of the fleet, which at the time was a mix of -300's and -200Adv's

That must have been fun once they started buying -700s...

I don't know if they still do it, but Boeing did a separate version (or mode) of the avionics software to make the displays show something rather more like the classic steam gauges. Just for Southwest and commonality with their older aircraft.
 
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RE: 737 Classic Cockpit Evolution

Thu Feb 25, 2010 6:11 am

Quoting rwessel (Reply 8):
I don't know if they still do it, but Boeing did a separate version (or mode) of the avionics software to make the displays show something rather more like the classic steam gauges.

It's still around.

Quoting rwessel (Reply 8):
Just for Southwest and commonality with their older aircraft.

I think it was done primarily at Southwest's urging, but it's available for anyone who wants it.

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RE: 737 Classic Cockpit Evolution

Thu Feb 25, 2010 9:41 am

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 9):
I think it was done primarily at Southwest's urging, but it's available for anyone who wants it.

I think Continental uses that "virtual steamgauge" mode too...
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RE: 737 Classic Cockpit Evolution

Thu Feb 25, 2010 2:11 pm


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Continental does have that option.

Although this a/c does not.
Unusual to have a mix?


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AND THIS ONE HAS A MIX!
Is it pilot selectable via a switch?
It is very unusual to see a split in EFIS style like this.


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And here the same a/c pictured above now shows an entirely 'steam driven' type display.
There must be a selector switch somewhere?

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RE: 737 Classic Cockpit Evolution

Thu Feb 25, 2010 2:34 pm

Ok I have realised that the 'mixed display' photos above were taken at an airshow so it's likely a one off for demonstration to potential customers.

My bad.

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