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Delivery Flights

Wed Mar 31, 2010 5:42 pm

I saw the HA A-330 at Touluose on this site a few days ago. It got me to wondering,does Airbus have pilots that do delivery flights or does the airline that bought the plane conduct it? Also,what will be the route it flies from Toulouse to it's home base in Hawaii? Thanks for any info!
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RE: Delivery Flights

Wed Mar 31, 2010 6:04 pm

The airline itself normally takes delivery of a new aircraft and flies it home. There may be rare exceptions but that's the usual practice.

[Edited 2010-03-31 11:04:59]
 
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RE: Delivery Flights

Wed Mar 31, 2010 9:06 pm

Usually the same airline pilots do the delivery flight, in this case maybe with a Flight instructor from airbus because it´s a new plane in the fleet so they still need to do route check and things like that......

Next one it will be only HA crew.......i guess.....
 
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RE: Delivery Flights

Wed Mar 31, 2010 9:19 pm

Quoting 747srule (Thread starter):
,what will be the route it flies from Toulouse to it's home base in Hawaii?

Suspect nonstop up over the arctic.

First of type dlvry flts usually bring out VIPS and such to ride...after that it's kick the tires and go so to speak. Where they accept dlvry used to depend on taxes...Pan Am used to accept at BDA for that reason. When at the orig NA the story was that CEO L B Maytag took the delivery flight of new aircraft...makes me wonder how many ceo's could fly an aircraft and not just a calculator like now.
 
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RE: Delivery Flights

Wed Mar 31, 2010 9:54 pm

Quoting hiflyer (Reply 3):
makes me wonder how many ceo's could fly an aircraft and not just a calculator like now.

Last one I know of was Gordon Bethune @ CO. He used to pick planes up from Boeing (where he once worked) and fly them home.
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RE: Delivery Flights

Thu Apr 01, 2010 6:58 pm

We received 205 yesterday from Airbus (3-31-2010) and our own pilots (F9) flew the aircraft home to DEN.
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RE: Delivery Flights

Fri Apr 02, 2010 4:54 am

Quoting hiflyer (Reply 3):
Quoting 747srule (Thread starter):
,what will be the route it flies from Toulouse to it's home base in Hawaii?

Suspect nonstop up over the arctic.

According to Great Circle Mapper, TLS-HNL is 6754 nm. That might be stretching the range a bit for the A330, even though it's pretty much empty. My guess is the routing will be TLS-ANC-HNL.
 
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RE: Delivery Flights

Fri Apr 02, 2010 6:36 am

Quoting bohica (Reply 6):
According to Great, Circle Mapper, TLS-HNL is 6754 nm. That might be stretching the range a bit for the A330, even though it's pretty much empty.

At zero payload, the A330-200 can go well over 9000 nm. TLS-HNL should be no problem with a light delivery crew and limited cargo.

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RE: Delivery Flights

Fri Apr 02, 2010 2:44 pm

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 7):
At zero payload, the A330-200 can go well over 9000 nm.

I didn't realize an A332 had that much range when empty. Thanks for the info.
 
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RE: Delivery Flights

Fri Apr 02, 2010 3:03 pm

Quoting 747srule (Thread starter):
does Airbus have pilots that do delivery flights or does the airline that bought the plane conduct it?

If this will be the first A330 for HA, I think an Airbus pilot will fly with them and even fly ont he first few flights. I believe with AC, when they got their first 777, a Boeing pilot flew with AC pilots for the first month (iirc). This was when the a/c was doing primarily YYZ-YUL-YYZ flight for familiarization. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm sure this is how it went. I'm sure Airbus does the same thing if required.

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RE: Delivery Flights

Fri Apr 02, 2010 3:16 pm

Quoting YYZRWY23 (Reply 9):
I think an Airbus pilot will fly with them and even fly ont he first few flights. I believe with AC, when they got their first 777, a Boeing pilot flew with AC pilots for the first month (iirc). This was when the a/c was doing primarily YYZ-YUL-YYZ flight for familiarization.

By the time the first aircraft is ready to be delivered there are already several dozen full crew already qualified at AC. It starts with the check pilots, then the line pilots. The first B777 was accepted in SEA by AC, then flown to YUL by AC check pilots. Tradition dictates that the Aircraft Type Fleet Manager (Chief Pilot) fly the flight.

Shorter legs are always used for the first few months for several reasons. One is to keep the ship close to home in case maintenance issues arise. Also, if they do, replacement aircraft are close at hand.

Also, AC training requirements have both an hourly requirement, as well as a number of legs requirement before the crewmenber can fly unsupervised. This is more easily accomplished with shorter legs.

I personally have flown two newly delivered home to base. A new A310 from TLS to YYZ in the Wardair days. Then about 4 years ago, a new E190 from Brasil vis ANU to YUL. Always a good adventure.
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