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CR2 Vs. E70 Operating Costs For UAX

Fri Apr 16, 2010 1:18 am

I have a question for those in the know on this forum. Last week I had a connection in ORD, the flight was ORD-MKE and the flight was oversold. I volunteered my 3 seats and received a free R/T ticket for each member of my family as well a food vouchers, bus tickets home. The gate agent did mention that the last two flight to MKE are always overbooked and she writes up free vouchers on a constant basis. Now I am aware that her perception might not be reality.
My question is how much more would it cost to throw an E70 on that route or a CR7 or CR9? I know the cost would be on more F/A but after that I am not sure how much more it would be. Any help on this would be greatly appreciated.
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RE: CR2 Vs. E70 Operating Costs For UAX

Fri Apr 16, 2010 1:58 am

I can't give you any numbers but... in general the main additional cost would of course be increased fuel burn. In addition, you have to pay the pilots a bit more, insurance/financing/operational costs are higher, and landing fees may be higher. All of this is offset by the additional passengers you can carry, and by the fact that many E-jets and CR7/9s carry higher-yielding first class pax. On a purely per seat basis, an E70 is more economical than a CR2; the E70 and to some extent CR7/9 is newer technology with newer engines, and there are inherent economies of scale.
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RE: CR2 Vs. E70 Operating Costs For UAX

Fri Apr 16, 2010 2:50 am

Another problem here is the flights from ORD to MKE are pro-rate markets for OO, UA doesn't control the availablity or pricing on those flights, OO does.

I would probaby bet that it's not consently overbooked as the gate agent says because OO doesn't allow as many seats available as UA did previously.

OO does from time to time put a CR7 on those routes for different reasons at the last minute one being because a previous flight was cancelled or maintenance.
 
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RE: CR2 Vs. E70 Operating Costs For UAX

Fri Apr 16, 2010 3:08 am

CRJ2 capacity = 50 seats
E170 capacity = 70 seats (6 First Class, 16 EP)
CRJ7 capacity = 66 seats (6 First Class, 28 EP)

Without knowing the exact number of "consistent" overbooked passengers, I would say United could be in a tough place. If it's just barely over a hundred revenue passengers, flying two CRJ2's at the end of the night makes the most sense (I don't think bus tickets are as expensive as the cost difference between flying the CRJ7 or E170 over the CRJ2).

And are the number of overbooked passengers consistent enough (and high enough) to fill an A319 (which holds 120) instead of the two CRJ2 flights?

Or maybe is it because of their contract with YT, that they have to fly those CRJ2's?

Lots of factors to observe on this one  
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RE: CR2 Vs. E70 Operating Costs For UAX

Fri Apr 16, 2010 12:46 pm

Quoting Boiler905 (Reply 3):
And are the number of overbooked passengers consistent enough (and high enough) to fill an A319 (which holds 120) instead of the two CRJ2 flights?

Now that would be nice to see UA mainline back in MKE. I dont think we would see that from ORD but maybe DEN. DEN-MKE is a long flight on a CR2 or E145, I have done this and can attest to this.

Thanks for the information everyone. I was aware of the wage difference and fuel burn what I was not aware of was the contract to fly those jets.

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RE: CR2 Vs. E70 Operating Costs For UAX

Wed Apr 28, 2010 3:31 pm

UA has run CR7's on the route, and they too are/were oversold. I can't remember if they still do, and I'm too lazy to go look. But another problem you run in to, and this happened to me ALL the time at UA, is more times than not either Skywest, or Mesa, will downgrade to the -200. So now an oversold -700 has just become a clusterf***.
 
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RE: CR2 Vs. E70 Operating Costs For UAX

Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:58 pm

I heard from 3 friends that do a great deal of business traveling that they have basically stopped using UA out of MKE via ORD becau se of the problem with over booking. Also they have noticed several times that the a/c was listed as as CR7 yet there is a CR2 at the gate. At that point they know they will hear a call for volunteer's to be bumped. Most of the time they will volunteer or try to, because it is a popular think to do on the route since the bus ride is less that 2 hours, and the seats are nicer on the bus. But as my friends put it they are paying for a seat on an airplane not a bus. After a while they get tried of the call for passengers to volunteer to be bumped and stopped flying UA via
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