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Seaplane Take-off Method

Mon Apr 26, 2010 12:23 am

Hey all,

Someone recently sent me a link to this YouTube video which I thought was a pretty interesting way to get a seaplane up in the air.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rejexLISJs

Anyone else have any interesting take off videos like this? Do share if you do 
 
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RE: Seaplane Take-off Method

Mon Apr 26, 2010 12:45 am

I thought that sea planes have wheels that extend from underneath the pontoons. Am I incorrect?
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RE: Seaplane Take-off Method

Mon Apr 26, 2010 1:03 am

I'm by no means an expert, but I thought there were two kinds.. One that had wheels that retracted into the pontoons (or maybe on the front and back of them), but also ones that had pontoons with no wheels at all. I'm pretty sure in FSX I tried using the built-in seaplane and couldn't get it to go down the runway because it's lack of wheels.
 
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RE: Seaplane Take-off Method

Mon Apr 26, 2010 1:04 am

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 1):
I thought that sea planes have wheels that extend from underneath the pontoons. Am I incorrect?

Some do, some don't.
 
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RE: Seaplane Take-off Method

Mon Apr 26, 2010 1:27 am

Usually "Seaplane" means no wheels and "Amphibious" means the floats have wheels.
 
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RE: Seaplane Take-off Method

Mon Apr 26, 2010 1:30 am

Quoting N353SK (Reply 4):
Usually "Seaplane" means no wheels and "Amphibious" means the floats have wheels.

Ah, that makes sense. Not sure why someone wouldn't get an amphibious plane then. You get the best of both worlds. Or is there a reason someone might want a seaplane?
 
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RE: Seaplane Take-off Method

Mon Apr 26, 2010 2:13 am

Quoting xero9 (Reply 5):
Not sure why someone wouldn't get an amphibious plane then. You get the best of both worlds. Or is there a reason someone might want a seaplane?

Simplicity. Less stuff to maintain, less stuff to worry about, etc.

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RE: Seaplane Take-off Method

Mon Apr 26, 2010 2:25 am

Quoting xero9 (Reply 5):
Not sure why someone wouldn't get an amphibious plane then.

And a lot more money too. Lots of seaplanes are floats only.

And how do you put them in the water?

With one of these,


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RE: Seaplane Take-off Method

Mon Apr 26, 2010 5:31 am

It must be a fake! I don't see a treadmill
 
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RE: Seaplane Take-off Method

Mon Apr 26, 2010 5:36 am

I think we're mixing metaphors here.

A seaplane is a plane with a hull designed to land on water. It may or may not be amphibious. Grumman Goose comes to mind, and it is amphibious.

A floatplane is a plane with the wheels removed and floats installed instead. Twin Otter, Beaver, a few Cessnas, etc. Some of them are amphibious, with retractable wheels in the floats, but most are just floatplanes. I think the amphibious floats are pretty expensive, and pretty heavy. I think somebody put floats on a DC-3 a few years ago.
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RE: Seaplane Take-off Method

Mon Apr 26, 2010 6:03 am

Quoting Arrow (Reply 9):
A seaplane is a plane with a hull designed to land on water. It may or may not be amphibious. Grumman Goose comes to mind, and it is amphibious.

I thought that was a flying boat and seaplane was anything with wings that lands on water.
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RE: Seaplane Take-off Method

Mon Apr 26, 2010 9:23 am

Quoting xero9 (Reply 5):
Or is there a reason someone might want a seaplane?

In addition to the increased complexity that leads to higher costs of maintenance and chances for failure in remote areas, amphibious floats add alot of weight to a light single engine aircraft.
Typically, weight savings for straight floats would be 200-300lbs, so in the "bush", many operators prefer lighter straight floats to eliminate the weight of a retractable landing gear if they don't need it. This weight savings increase their useful load, allowing them to instead load the plane with fuel, cargo, and passengers.
 
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RE: Seaplane Take-off Method

Mon Apr 26, 2010 2:19 pm

That makes perfect sense. To be honest, I didn't think retractable landing gear would add that much extra weight or cost that much more, but I must be wrong, or else we wouldn't see planes without them.
 
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RE: Seaplane Take-off Method

Mon Apr 26, 2010 2:47 pm

BTW, a floatplane can be landed on land, without damage, for maintenance....you just have to do it on the "infield grass"   You can even take off again with the aid of a dolly...
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RE: Seaplane Take-off Method

Mon Apr 26, 2010 3:00 pm

Seaplanes covers everything that lands on water.
A flying boat uses its fuselage to land on the water ie Grumman goose, Spruce Goose.
A float plane is a plane that has removable floats in the bottom and can usually be converted to wheels, skis etc. These include DHC-2 Beavers, DHC-6 Twin Otters. Both flying boats and floatplanes can have retractable gear so they can land on both land and water.

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RE: Seaplane Take-off Method

Mon Apr 26, 2010 3:12 pm

Quoting FighterPilot (Reply 14):
Flying Boat:

That's funny, I was going to comment how it's like the plane from Ice Pilots, and then it turns out it is one of their planes.

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