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A&P: Accepted, What To Expect?

Wed Jun 23, 2010 8:39 pm

Hello,

Today I got a phone call from my A&P School (MetroTech OKC) telling me I have been accepted and enrolled into the course. 18 months and 1,980 hours beginning August 19th to get the A&P/AMT.

Obviously, I am very excited about this and ready to start. What can I expect throughout my training and subsequent out-of-school hiring process?

I don't want to hear disgruntled mechanics telling me to choose a different profession. There are negatives about every job, and usually the negatives come out to the field before the positives do (if they do at all). I have already heard this, and I believe the grass is greener on the other side, always is. My head is not in the sand, I have weighed the negatives against the positives I have read and am still interested. From those of you who enjoy your job what can I expect?

I am also planning on taking some college courses after my A&P so I have something to fall back on. What type of courses, in addition to what I am planning to study for, would be desirable into getting jobs with airlines (regional or major)?

Thank you,
Matt
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RE: A&P: Accepted, What To Expect?

Wed Jun 23, 2010 8:59 pm

Try to Enjoy the field every day.There will be bad days too,but never stop being positive.
You'll need to put in a few hrs of study regularily.
Don't hesitate to ask questions & always be ready to do a job offered to the class.

Help your Batchmates & build that bond,You'll be surprised 10 yrs down the line where you & your batch buddies reach carrier wise.

Try to learn the basics well.It will come handy in the future.

If you get the time check http://www.greyowl.com click on Articles.Very good Human Factor articles there which will def give you a right viewpoint in your field.

Cheers.

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RE: A&P: Accepted, What To Expect?

Thu Jun 24, 2010 12:53 am

Expect to cram for a lot of things. Get the Dale Crane study guides for General, Airframe and Powerplant. Get the computer based practice tests, this test is the same stuff that Dale Crane puts in his books. Study the right anwsers on the bottom of the page, not the wrong ones, HIGHTLIGHT them!!!!

A&P's have a lot to intake so be prepared for that. 2 years to cram that stuff in your brain is going to be overwhelming. I kid you not. I say this from experience.

Get your math skills refreshed. You're gonna need it for the Electricity parts. Get a tutor. (No, I am not kidding....)

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 1):
Very good Human Factor articles there which will def give you a right viewpoint in your field.

Oh, yes! I really recommend paying attention to the Human Factors portion of AMT. My school was trying to get the F.A.A.. to allow them to make Human Factors a required course. I agree with the idea.

Human Factors is BIG in this industry.....

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 1):
Don't hesitate to ask questions & always be ready to do a job offered to the class.

Keep in mind that no question is a stupid question. So ask no matter what.

Oh, and have fun tearing down a turbine engine. I did the PW PT-6. That was fun....and very "student-ified", too! LOL!
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RE: A&P: Accepted, What To Expect?

Thu Jun 24, 2010 1:08 am

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 2):
Keep in mind that no question is a stupid question. So ask no matter what.

One other thing to keep in mind as you go through the program and after you're certificated...your license is a license to learn.

When you are finally let loose on the world, whether you remain in GA or enter the air transport world, you will be responsible for lives. Real lives. You won't know a fraction of what you need to know. Read, ask and learn.

Oh yeah...ignore pilots.
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RE: A&P: Accepted, What To Expect?

Thu Jun 24, 2010 3:01 am

Firstly, Welcome to the fun world of A&P's. I love my job as a A&P   I would recomend taking some computer classes. I took them to get some avonics credit's at Delta to get Line Qual. ( So I can work on a Line Station - Live flights) I would't burn out to bad on classes, because most airlines will want experince to collage credits. I went to UH, Northrop and my A&P , and experince is really what gets you in. I would recomend if there's a Airport near by, to try and get on as a part timer at a Carrier, so when you do get your A&P you can bid the internal jobs, before they go to the street. Also at some Airlines you build seniority, and as most guys will tell you in the Airline biz is your key to everything   The next thing I would recomend is, to buy some good tools   I wish you all the best. I know at month 15 your going to hit the wall with school, but hang in there. Its worth it. I still can't believe the freedom I have as a A&P  
 
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RE: A&P: Accepted, What To Expect?

Thu Jun 24, 2010 3:16 am

Quoting n901wa (Reply 4):
The next thing I would recomend is, to buy some good tools

I agree. I highly recommend Snap-On. Get the AMT Starter-set that they offer. That is HALF of what the airlines require on their tool lists. Another thing I would highly recommend.... your tools are your best asset other than your A&P. Don't loan out your tools or you won't get them back. Learned that lesson the hard way. Snap-On has lifetime warranty and are so easy to use.

Another great tool provider is Craftsman. Stay away from Matco, I have heard that Matco's tools are not that great.

Quoting n901wa (Reply 4):
I know at month 15 your going to hit the wall with school, but hang in there. Its worth it. I still can't believe the freedom I have as a A&P

   I know BOTH of those feelings.
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RE: A&P: Accepted, What To Expect?

Thu Jun 24, 2010 3:25 am

Thanks for all of the replies, very informative and good advice.

Quoting n901wa (Reply 4):
I would recomend if there's a Airport near by, to try and get on as a part timer at a Carrier, so when you do get your A&P you can bid the internal jobs, before they go to the street.

The problem with that is I will get my A&P license about three or four months after I turn 18, so right now I am unable to work at any airlines and most FBO's. Although, I do have 1 FBO who is considering me for Line (ramp) -- which their company also has a major MRO on site, too.

Again thanks for all the replies!
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RE: A&P: Accepted, What To Expect?

Thu Jun 24, 2010 7:01 am

Quoting Jetmatt777 (Reply 6):

To start out with, go to a 145 to gain the experience before going to an airline. I never did that, but I know a lot of people went that route and it has worked out well for them.
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RE: A&P: Accepted, What To Expect?

Thu Jun 24, 2010 11:56 am

Hey Jetmatt777, Thats great your getting a early start. I was 18 when I got hired, and It been a Great ride   The nice thing about starting on the ramp is, you get to appreciate how other deparments work. I started loading bags before I came to MTC ( about 1 and a half years), and I have a better understanding what they need and try not to give them a hard time. I also worked helping at the counter, and I never want to do that again   With a early start you can be a 50 year employee like I hope to do, or retire early and go to the FAA or Teach and still have another full retirement ( I might do that too, I would love to teach ) My only side step that I regret is I turned down a promotion. I didn't think I have enough skill   So keep at it. There's a lot of good mech. on here that will try and help you out.
Its funny as a group, all the A&P's seem to know each other across Airlines. Im always supprised to hear a Mech at another airline ask me if I know someone I use to work with or a guy I went to A&P school with   In fact there's 1 mech on Anet I use to work with and I haven't seen him in years. A great Guy and Friend   If you like Airplanes like I do, This will be the best job ever   Oh 1 more thing. When you get to a Airline, get your Passport ASAP. Its great for getting your Airport Badge, and if they ask you to go on a Engine change in Mexico you can say YES. ( I missed out flying on a C-130 to change a 757 eng that way)

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RE: A&P: Accepted, What To Expect?

Thu Jun 24, 2010 4:21 pm

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 7):
To start out with, go to a 145 to gain the experience before going to an airline. I never did that, but I know a lot of people went that route and it has worked out well for them.

Thanks! There is that FBO/MRO here (OKC), they do major MX for AS, YV, G4, OO, and a few others. So that would be good experience. AAR is the name. I am not sure if they are Part 145, however. There are also a few smaller MRO/FBO operations in town that do smaller aircraft.

Quoting n901wa (Reply 8):

Thanks 1WA, your input here is very encouraging! Can't wait to start in on it.
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RE: A&P: Accepted, What To Expect?

Thu Jun 24, 2010 11:06 pm

Quoting n901wa (Reply 8):
When you get to a Airline, get your Passport ASAP.

I left that one out, but yes, you are GOING to need it. You never know when they'll have you go out of the country to rescue a company AOG.

Quoting Jetmatt777 (Reply 9):
I am not sure if they are Part 145, however.

AAR does 145. That is why AS sends their aircraft to AAR.

Quoting n901wa (Reply 8):
( I missed out flying on a C-130 to change a 757 eng that way)

That sucks, man! 
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RE: A&P: Accepted, What To Expect?

Fri Jun 25, 2010 3:05 am

Get some avionics classes. I took a 3 month class in addition to my A&P classes and it has paid of greatly. Being able to read wiring diagrams and troubleshoot avionics and other aircraft system, will make you valuable over someone that might not know how to. Companies like to be able to fix problems right the first time and with the least amount of money wasted by throwing parts at the problem.
 
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Mon Jul 05, 2010 10:50 am

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 5):
I highly recommend Snap-On

The new Craftsman Pro Line is very good. Snap-On makes a great tool... but very expensive. Spend most of your money on 1/4" drive...!! It's rare that you'll use much bigger then that. My advise on a tool. If you need to borrow it more then once.. go buy it.

Also, don't buy into the 'earn the big bucks' the schools are using to sell them self. You can make a good living, but like anything you need to earn your way up. Don't think once your out of school airlines will be drooling to hire you. Most all major airlines have a very long recall list of people still on lay-off that can go on for years. I was hired by a northeast regional and loved it. Now I'm with a manufacture MRO.

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RE: A&P: Accepted, What To Expect?

Mon Jul 05, 2010 4:42 pm

Hope They hire you, kid. I work over in Hangar 1B on the YV lines. you will learn where that is if you come to work out here. Don't listen to all the bad stuff you will hear from your fellow students, this really is a pretty good place to work. You will get a lot of good experience to take with you as you move on. Regards, Chris
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RE: A&P: Accepted, What To Expect?

Mon Jul 05, 2010 9:27 pm

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 12):
The new Craftsman Pro Line is very good. Snap-On makes a great tool... but very expensive. Spend most of your money on 1/4" drive...!! It's rare that you'll use much bigger then that. My advise on a tool. If you need to borrow it more then once.. go buy it.

I think I am going to buy Craftsman, not as expensive as Snap-On but still a good reputable tool company with a good value for the price.

Quoting DC8FriendShip (Reply 13):
Hope They hire you, kid. I work over in Hangar 1B on the YV lines. you will learn where that is if you come to work out here.

Thanks Chris! I know where that is. I normally drive by the hangars when I am at the airport and try and take peaks inside while coasting in the parking lot. I'd love to work for your company as an A&P when I get it, get some good experience without leaving home. We'll see what happens in the next few years though.

Thanks for the replies.

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RE: A&P: Accepted, What To Expect?

Mon Jul 05, 2010 10:28 pm

Quoting Jetmatt777 (Reply 14):
I think I am going to buy Craftsman, not as expensive as Snap-On but still a good reputable tool company with a good value for the price.

If I may add, you may want to look at MacTools. I found their ratchets seem to operate the smoothest, with the most teeth in the gear. Of course, I haven't needed to use a tool on an aircraft in quite some time. There may be better out there now.
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RE: A&P: Accepted, What To Expect?

Tue Jul 06, 2010 3:17 am

The most important part of training is not to mix up your doo-hicky's and johnson rods. And forget about widgets and thingamabobs. Those just come with experience.
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RE: A&P: Accepted, What To Expect?

Tue Jul 06, 2010 4:28 pm

Very encouraged by all of the helpful and generally positive responses here. To be fair, *many* mechanics have seen more than their share of the nasty and unforgiving side of the industry and have become forever jaded. Glad to see that some of us still love this industry.

Congratulations on your acceptance Matt.

My first suggestion is simply an echo of what Fr8mech said. Your certificate is a license to learn, that's it. Pretend that it's any thing more than that and you'll create an unsafe situation AND alienate the experienced mechanics that know better.

My second suggestion is to muscle your way into the door of an FBO or 145 while you're in school. Do whatever you possibly can to touch live aircraft, even if it only means helping a mechanic out occasionally. I was fortunate enough to get involved with a mechanic who allowed me to learn while being his extra pair of hands on a B727. It was fun learning on a real bird, and it led to a job. You are in a MUCH better position when you are a) on the inside and b) working hard to create your own luck.
 
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Tue Jul 06, 2010 7:05 pm

Hey aogdesk, You had to bring up the 727 , I started to tear up. I cut my teeth on the 27 and I miss that bird. I loved the 727. My first engine change, first sheetmetal repair, first field trip, and My first OJI   What a Great Bird. I was watching the show cut in half, where they cut the 727 N831L in half. I use to work on that bird along with my dad when he was at WAL, I had to turn the channel. I couldn't take it. I also am glad to see all the guys with positive ideas and help  

Jetmatt777- craftsman make Great tools, and don't forget if you break them take them back to sears, and they will replace them. The new stuff are great stuff. Just remember 12 point , not 6 point sockets and closed wrenches. Also if you find a Ford wrench made by cresent in 12 or 14 inches, pick it up. The fFord wrench is a Great tool to have  
 
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RE: A&P: Accepted, What To Expect?

Tue Jul 06, 2010 7:08 pm

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 12):
The new Craftsman Pro Line is very good.

When did those come out?

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 12):
Snap-On makes a great tool... but very expensive.

   But they do have lifetime warranty. I have had to exchange some tools for new ones when the old tool wasn't functioning properly.

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 12):
Also, don't buy into the 'earn the big bucks' the schools are using to sell them self. You can make a good living, but like anything you need to earn your way up. Don't think once your out of school airlines will be drooling to hire you.

Ehhh, sometimes they are a good deal, depends on the contract the school has. My school in Arizona had a pretty good contract with Snap-On (although I did not buy from them, I already had my own Snap-On Aviation Starter kit from another school I attended to in Washington State....) so those are good to watch for.

Quoting aogdesk (Reply 17):
To be fair, *many* mechanics have seen more than their share of the nasty and unforgiving side of the industry and have become forever jaded.

   Met too many guys from UA who had horrible stories to share from their time at UA.

Quoting aogdesk (Reply 17):
Your certificate is a license to learn, that's it.

You continue to learn until retirement.
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RE: A&P: Accepted, What To Expect?

Wed Jul 07, 2010 12:31 am

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 19):
When did those come out?

15 years ago. I was working at Sears trying to get a job as an A&P, but at that point it was just combo wrenches. I've notice they have really expanded their line over the last 5-8 years

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 19):
But they do have lifetime warranty.

So does Sears at 1/4 the prices

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 19):
Ehhh, sometimes they are a good deal,

I'm talking about schools promesing you the world when you graduate.
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RE: A&P: Accepted, What To Expect?

Wed Jul 07, 2010 12:53 am

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 7):
To start out with, go to a 145 to gain the experience before going to an airline. I never did that, but I know a lot of people went that route and it has worked out well for them.

I 2nd or 3rd this idea. I worked at the storage facility in ROW for 2 and a half years. I learned so much there.

Quoting n901wa (Reply 18):
Hey aogdesk, You had to bring up the 727 , I started to tear up. I cut my teeth on the 27 and I miss that bird. I loved the 727.

I too got to cut my teeth in the comercial world on a 727, N918UP to be exact!


Jetmatt777..... The best advice i can give is what my A&P instructor/DME gave me the day he handed me my certificate. He said congrats, here is your license to learn. Never stop learning or wanting to learn in this job. The more you learn and want to know the better mechanic you will be. Always be willing to listen to others ideas, they may have thought of somethingyou didnt. Keep your head on straight and focused, and the sky and beyond is the limit! Best of luck to you. Keep us informed on your progression, and feel free to ask if you have any questions!
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RE: A&P: Accepted, What To Expect?

Wed Jul 07, 2010 3:40 am

Quoting B727LVR (Reply 21):
Quoting n901wa (Reply 18):
Hey aogdesk, You had to bring up the 727 , I started to tear up. I cut my teeth on the 27 and I miss that bird. I loved the 727.

I too got to cut my teeth in the comercial world on a 727, N918UP to be exact!

Ok, time for a little reminiscing about the B727.

First bird I taxied, first bird that gave me a taste of a compressor stall at TO power. (Forgot to determine wind direction before spooling up, wind was coming across #2 inlet, airplane was empty freighter so the stall felt like someone set off an M80 behind my head. R&R pants.

I remember lighting myself on fire via a torpedo heater while trying to change an APU load control valve in a blizzard. Felt good for a second.

I recall countless spoiler control actuator changes.

I recall the pressurization and dump valve troubleshooting on the JT8. Maintenance manual said "blow into valve, if it moves, go to step X. If it doesn't, change engine."

Autopilot porpoising, nulled trim sensors. MLG wheels with far too many bolts. Forgetting to reposition the MLG flyaway door after changing a wheel.

Oh, and the crew that put a dummy's arm in the gap between the MLG door and fuselage so that I'd think that someone got stuck. Made my heart hit the floor for a second, those bastards.  

N918, if I recall correctly, that was one of the ex TWA birds that had everything installed backwards.

B727LVR, if you're a 5X guy in ABQ, any chance you worked with Craig Mees?
 
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Wed Jul 07, 2010 7:49 am

Quoting B727LVR (Reply 21):
Always be willing to listen to others ideas, they may have thought of somethingyou didnt.

One small thing I should add to that: Be careful of tribal knowledge. That is not necessarily a good thing.

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 20):

I guess I missed that. I got glued onto the Snap-On stuff.  
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Wed Jul 07, 2010 2:00 pm

I went for my A&P back in the Reagan days...while I excelled in the class and absolutely loved it...(preferred to be a professional aircraft mechanic as opposed to being a professional pilot). Any way...finished general 1 & 2..., even had to help the instructor with the class as students and teacher could not illustrate...either way...at the time mechanics at some of the legacy carriers with 17,000 hours were losing their jobs and I felt , "what kind of a job and I going to get"?...so I quit. Biggest regret of my life. Now a pilot, but not at the professional level, still regret not obtaining my A&P. Get your ticket, especially if your passionate about it. Now the closest I get to using what I learned is making furniture from airliner parts and practicing my composite and sheet metal skills that way...Dang...DO IT!... I would give anything to complete the ticket but at 54, why bother...g
 
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Wed Jul 07, 2010 6:14 pm

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 24):
I would give anything to complete the ticket but at 54, why bother...g

Oh, go for it, still!!! We had a retired DL pilot that was in all of my A&P classes and he was 67!!! He got his A&P ticket and is now working in SLC back with DL again, I believe.
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RE: A&P: Accepted, What To Expect?

Thu Jul 08, 2010 8:55 pm

Quoting aogdesk (Reply 22):
B727LVR, if you're a 5X guy in ABQ, any chance you worked with Craig Mees?




I would love to work for UPS, but unfortunately I don't. I worked on the UPS birds when I was working at the Storage facility in ROW.
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RE: A&P: Accepted, What To Expect?

Fri Jul 09, 2010 3:34 am

Quoting B727LVR (Reply 26):
I would love to work for UPS, but unfortunately I don't. I worked on the UPS birds when I was working at the Storage facility in ROW.

Unfortunately UPS has laid off mechanics as well as pilots. Something that the FX mechanics seem to forget.
 
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Fri Jul 09, 2010 11:41 pm

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 25):

I'm more of an airframe metal/composite individual. Can I go just for Airframe? While flying planes is my passion, working with airframe structure is a real art form and I love doing it. I'm even used to working with the Akzo Nobel 2 part epoxy primers and polyurethane topcoats. Will be selling many airframe components on ebay as collectibles...Boeing and Airbus. I certainly would love to apply this to my income as a job in lieu of ebayables...you think?
 
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Sat Jul 10, 2010 2:50 am

You can most definitely go for just the Airframe portion of the license. Go for it!
 
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RE: A&P: Accepted, What To Expect?

Sat Jul 10, 2010 5:19 am

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 28):
Can I go just for Airframe?

Of course! Take the Generals while you're at it, it is required for either license. But broad your horizons and get both. It will take you places you'll never guess. And the pay is more when you actually have BOTH licenses, even if you are not using the Powerplant one. You still get paid for both.

If I were you, I'd go for both regardless.
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Sat Jul 10, 2010 6:10 am

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 28):
Can I go just for Airframe?

You can but you really limit yourself if you want to work in the industry. Most employers want you to have both tickets. Unless you have a specific employer or you are doing your own thing and all you need is the airframe then I can see it.
 
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Sat Jul 10, 2010 11:02 pm

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 30):
Quoting stratosphere (Reply 31):

Roger, Roger...thnx, I'm going to look into it...If I can still outsurf my 21 year old and swim 40 laps a day, I suppose I can still patch a 747!...thnx very much!
 
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RE: A&P: Accepted, What To Expect?

Sun Jul 11, 2010 4:44 am

I'll add my opinion on tools. I started A&P school in 1987. I bought the Snap On set at the ERAU bookstore. I graduated in Dec of 90 with a BS and started working in March of 91 at my first AMT job. Next Monday when I open my tool box I will pick up the same tools I bought in 1987. The ratchets have been rebuilt two or three times and some of the sockets have been replaced as well as the dykes and needlenose. All of those were done at work while on the clock. I just walked out to the tool truck. I have added to that basic set. Snap On ratcheting screwdriver, hell even our local Mac dealer says it is the best in the industry. Angle wrench set I have Snap On but the Mac are good also. A 1/4 inch drive swivle socket set. Craftsman doesn't make this stuff. I do have some Craftsmen tools both at home and at work. I found they wear out faster under industrial use. My 1987 kit didn't come with a 1/4 drive deep well socket set. At my first job I was broke so the Snap On truck was out of my realm so armed with my Sears credit card I purchased a 12 pt set. Eight years later when I got a payroll deduct account at Delta that was the first thing I replaced. I was so sick of going to the local Sears and swapping out worn out sockets. Even now I still had the same Snap On sockets. Craftsmen dykes just suck. After a year of use they have a hard time with .032 wire. It took me 15 years to wear out my original Snap On. I only bought the Craftsman becuse we were a station that didn't get a tool truck.

My advice, spend the money on the stuff you will use the most. The last think you want to do on your off day is to go to Sears to replace a tool. My first job was midnights. There was a Sears near work, 25 miles from my home. They closed two hours before my shift started. They opened three hours after my shift ended. Mall hours and aircraft mechanics do not mix well.
 
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RE: A&P: Accepted, What To Expect?

Tue Jul 13, 2010 9:31 am

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 12):
Most all major airlines have a very long recall list of people still on lay-off that can go on for years.

I'll spare you all of the disgruntled stuff...but this is very true. I've got 15 years in with a major airline at ORD and have been laid-off twice. We won't be hiring off the street for A LONG TIME.

Quoting n901wa (Reply 18):
You had to bring up the 727 , I started to tear up. I cut my teeth on the 27 and I miss that bird.

Me too...loved the 727. Great airplane.

Quoting n901wa (Reply 4):
The next thing I would recomend is, to buy some good tools

Absolutely - you're going to make your living with these tools. I have about a 50/50 split between Snap-On and Mac Tools.

Bottom line - you said you don't have your head in the sand. Good. I won't lie to you, this has been a rough ride the last 15 years. Is it worth it? If you love airplanes and enjoying a great sense of accomplishment every day - YES. If you're in it because you think you're going to make the big bucks - then do something else. A back-up plan is also a very good idea (going back to the laid-off twice thing). Good luck to you...
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RE: A&P: Accepted, What To Expect?

Tue Jul 13, 2010 9:02 pm

Quoting A10WARTHOG (Reply 11):
Get some avionics classes.

Just curious do you need an A&P to get an avionics cerificate?
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RE: A&P: Accepted, What To Expect?

Tue Jul 13, 2010 9:40 pm

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 35):
Just curious do you need an A&P to get an avionics cerificate?

Technically there is no avionics certificate. Alot of people who do avionics work, use a repairmans certificate. a repairmans cert only allows someone to work on something specific, like avionics work. I recieved my avionics training from the navy, and got my A&P certificate once i got out. They have some schools that offer avionics training, but they can cost as much as getting your A&P, and they are only a few weeks long. Find a good tech who is willing to teach you, from the ground up and watch and learn.
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RE: A&P: Accepted, What To Expect?

Wed Jul 14, 2010 8:05 am

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 35):
Just curious do you need an A&P to get an avionics cerificate?

No. The FCC certificate can be obtained alone.

Quoting B727LVR (Reply 36):
Technically there is no avionics certificate.

That isn't true. The FCC certificate is actually a real document.
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RE: A&P: Accepted, What To Expect?

Wed Jul 14, 2010 9:45 pm

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 37):
That isn't true. The FCC certificate is actually a real document.

True it is, but in it own sense it was not originally an aviation related item. It has adapted itself to meet the times. If one was to pick up a GROL handbook and start studying they will learn more about sea-going related items, than aviation.
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RE: A&P: Accepted, What To Expect?

Sun Jul 18, 2010 3:53 am

Best tool ever invented = Gear wrenches.....and Snap on ratcheting screw drivers!!!

Good luck Matt, Im sure you will love it! I still do after 8 years
 
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RE: A&P: Accepted, What To Expect?

Sun Jul 18, 2010 1:06 pm

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 20):

15 years ago. I was working at Sears trying to get a job as an A&P, but at that point it was just combo wrenches. I've notice they have really expanded their line over the last 5-8 years

best screwdrivers i have ever bought.

I agree with most above, if you have the money go Snap-on. Just from working on cars i have found out the Snap-on is by far the best.
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RE: A&P: Accepted, What To Expect?

Sun Jul 18, 2010 1:49 pm

Another good tool maker is SK. They make great ratchets and wrenches (I can attest to those two since I own sets of both from them). I picked a nice ratcheting screwdriver from them that has a handle that bend 45 degrees and locks in place that I replaced my Craftsman one with and it's 10 times better. My personal opinion on any pliers that have a cutting edge on them like needle noses and diagonal cutters I always get Klein. Much smoother cut than anything Craftsman has to offer. Also with Snap On watch out with a brand they sell called Blue Point. Its a company they bought a while back and sell them with their other tools. There's just one catch: Blue Points aren't lifetime warrantied like Snap On so be careful with that.
 
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RE: A&P: Accepted, What To Expect?

Sun Jul 18, 2010 5:56 pm

Quoting B727LVR (Reply 38):
True it is, but in it own sense it was not originally an aviation related item. It has adapted itself to meet the times. If one was to pick up a GROL handbook and start studying they will learn more about sea-going related items, than aviation.

You can get them now through the FAA & FCC as a tack on license to your A&P. It is NOW a license.
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RE: A&P: Accepted, What To Expect?

Mon Jul 19, 2010 12:57 am

Quoting THEBATMAN (Reply 34):
I'll spare you all of the disgruntled stuff...but this is very true. I've got 15 years in with a major airline at ORD and have been laid-off twice. We won't be hiring off the street for A LONG TIME.

This is only partly true. At DL we still have a furlough list. But it is getting very short and only for a few cities. We just promoted 15 guys from the ATL ASM ranks to AMT. Those are the first new AMT's to ATL since like 2001/2002. Before that the easiest way to AMT at DL was NYC, either LGA or JFK. Both of those stations are pretty much always hiring with a 2 year required stay. Word on the floor is 40 new AMT's in the near future. Some will come from the ASM already in house but I think most will come from the street. I don't think we have that many ASM's with A&P's left. I also know SEA has been hiring off the street. Had a college buddy interview there last week.

In short the jobs are there. You may not be real happy about the location, but give it a try. It is a great way to explore new parts of the country. In twenty years I've lived in seven cities. I'm not moving again though. If I have to I'll commute.
 
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RE: A&P: Accepted, What To Expect?

Mon Jul 19, 2010 1:46 am

Quoting DALMD88 (Reply 43):

No one has tried to sell me on going to a major out of school. I would like to pick up experience either at a 145 MRO or a regional if I can find one that is hiring off the street with no prior experience. Can't hurt to apply anyway. But I'm not expecting anyone to be drooling over me, I will take an opportunity to get in a regional if I can though. Tinker AFB in OKC is also a big MRO for the Air Force and Navy. I was told by some workers out there that they offer to hire just about everybody that comes out of my school. So if that is true, I always have that option.

Also, looks like I will be buying my tools this week, probably on Sunday. Looks like I am going to go for Craftsman, Snap-On is just too pricey at the moment.

Thanks for the replies and very helpful advice, I start class in a month!
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RE: A&P: Accepted, What To Expect?

Mon Jul 19, 2010 4:40 am

To add to DALMD88. We have been hiring Line AMTs at Delta in LAX for the last year and a half. We went from 48 AMTS to just under 100 in that time. 4 guys just started 3 weeks ago and I think 3 more start this or next week. The guys are new and are from the street. I also would like to add 2 guys that we picked up are around 58 years old, so its never to late to get your A&P   I have 22 years and been laid off once in 2004 and step back to a helper to keep my time, and I still Love my job. Its kinda a draw. My brother who is a AMT at another Airline has been there 20 years and did not get laid off at his company. Have fun in class  
 
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RE: A&P: Accepted, What To Expect?

Mon Jul 19, 2010 8:36 pm

question.....does anyone have a tool list from an airline they can share? Give us something to go off of.
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RE: A&P: Accepted, What To Expect?

Mon Jul 19, 2010 9:22 pm

I work at a small maintenace facility which primarily does in Citations, PC-12's and Piper aircraft. THe tools I've got is this kit
http://www.stahlwille-online.de/inde...md=pdetail&pcid=18&cid=479&pid=754
+ a tool "cart", a snapon screwdriver, an "airgun", 2 adjustable spanners, a fuel drain cup, a mirror 5x10 cm, a spark plug socket, a long needle nose plier, a small ratchet kit for bits and ofcouurse lots of small bags, strips and gloves. THats about it, and it's all provided by my employer.

BTW do you own your tools or are they provided to you*?

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RE: A&P: Accepted, What To Expect?

Tue Jul 20, 2010 7:10 am

The school you go to should provide you with a tool list. Mine did.
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RE: A&P: Accepted, What To Expect?

Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:01 am

Quoting crjfixer (Reply 39):

Totally Agree SNAP ON are the best.
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