boacvc10
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Seat Pitch Vs. Comfortable Seating

Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:34 pm

1> Do pilots feel comfortable in their seats for a long time, and do they have padding for a cushy feel?

2> Do passenger seat designers ever sit in their own chair? For upto 18 hours?

3> Do passenger seats feel comfortable with more seat-to-seat length distance, or seat-to-seat separation?

4> Why can't there by standards for seat dividers to be invisible when raised?

5> Why can't designers figure out how to use the side wall void space for extra inches in circular passenger cabins?

6> Why can't designers figure out how to make the DVD infotainment system not butt into the under-the-seat leg space of a passenger? Like, in the "void space" between seat and window... to allow ventilation and air flow, plus a comfy seat rest. (hint: Continental 757 service, Y class - but others as well)

Reasonable questions.... no unreasonable answers please. But if you have the ability to influence seat designers, please do so!

What do you think?
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RE: Seat Pitch Vs. Comfortable Seating

Wed Jun 30, 2010 6:36 pm

Quoting boacvc10 (Thread starter):
1> Do pilots feel comfortable in their seats for a long time, and do they have padding for a cushy feel?

I've sat in the seat of an A320 for about 45 minutes, and had absolutely no problems. They're extremely comfortable seats and it's obvious that the ergonomics of the cockpit were heavily considered in the designing of the aircraft.

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RE: Seat Pitch Vs. Comfortable Seating

Wed Jun 30, 2010 7:59 pm

Quoting boacvc10 (Thread starter):
1> Do pilots feel comfortable in their seats for a long time, and do they have padding for a cushy feel?

You know that the seats in the cockpit are nothing like the seats in the cabin, right? Some are tricky to get into, but once in, tend to be fairly comfortable. The thing I notice the most is the bottom of the seat extends forward a good deal to support the pilot's legs. I have sat in captain and first officer seats in 777, 737, A320 cockpits; based on my experience flying small piston singles, I would bet that the comfort of the pilot's chair decreases with aircraft size.
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RE: Seat Pitch Vs. Comfortable Seating

Thu Jul 01, 2010 2:28 am

Quoting boacvc10 (Thread starter):
1> Do pilots feel comfortable in their seats for a long time, and do they have padding for a cushy feel?

My personal record is about 9 hours in a single stretch, and my back was a little stiff but otherwise no issues. They are firmer than you'd think, but the ergonomics are really good.

Quoting boacvc10 (Thread starter):
3> Do passenger seats feel comfortable with more seat-to-seat length distance, or seat-to-seat separation

Up to a point...once your legs and feet aren't touching the seat ahead while seated comfortably, increasing spacing doesn't do much except have a psychological impression of space.

Quoting boacvc10 (Thread starter):
4> Why can't there by standards for seat dividers to be invisible when raised?

There can, but why would you want to impose standards on something like that?

Quoting boacvc10 (Thread starter):
5> Why can't designers figure out how to use the side wall void space for extra inches in circular passenger cabins?

They can, and do, to the extent they can.

Quoting boacvc10 (Thread starter):
6> Why can't designers figure out how to make the DVD infotainment system not butt into the under-the-seat leg space of a passenger?

Some have, as you noted. In the past, I think the problem was that the computing infrastructure required needed a certain amount of space, and the only place to find that much space was under the seat. As computing shrinks, that problem should go away.

Quoting bri2k1 (Reply 2):
based on my experience flying small piston singles, I would bet that the comfort of the pilot's chair decreases with aircraft size.

I've found the opposite...I'd much rather spend many hours in a widebody flight-deck seat than a Cessna seat.

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RE: Seat Pitch Vs. Comfortable Seating

Thu Jul 01, 2010 6:35 am

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 3):
I've found the opposite...I'd much rather spend many hours in a widebody flight-deck seat than a Cessna seat.

I think you two agree with each other, as you should.  

Try operator seats. Got one favourite which slides out to the side, tilts back and turns so I can put my feet up on a conveniently located rack. Beats the up-front seats any day. When sitting there, I make a point of always asking the guys up front what the movie is like there on long ferries...  

One of the big advantages of most cockpit seats, outside of SEPL land, is the sheepskin covering which adds a lot to the comfort sitting down for long periods of time. Just back from a nine hour flight as pax, and oh how I wished for that back in Y class... but you'll never be able to teach the SLC not to pour coke over the seats (and into the seat tracks... yurgh!!!) so that will not happen.

I'm thinking of trying to find a detachable sheepskin cover for the SEPLs and their horrid seats. Spent a couple of hours making myself useful flying one in 30 degrees centigrade the other day and suffered from severe SBS (Sticky Butt Syndrome). 
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RE: Seat Pitch Vs. Comfortable Seating

Thu Jul 01, 2010 9:20 am

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 3):
I think the problem was that the computing infrastructure required needed a certain amount of space, and the only place to find that much space was under the seat. As computing shrinks, that problem should go away.

That, and such equipment probably needs some cooling and should be easily accessible for maintenance and replacement, so moving it to another location probably wouldn't work so well.
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RE: Seat Pitch Vs. Comfortable Seating

Thu Jul 01, 2010 3:15 pm

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 3):
I've found the opposite...I'd much rather spend many hours in a widebody flight-deck seat than a Cessna seat.

Poorly worded on my part, but that's what I was trying to say. Comfort goes down with size going down, so the largest planes have the most comfortable seats up front.

Quoting FredT (Reply 4):

Yes, you got it.

Quoting FredT (Reply 4):
the sheepskin covering

It's very nice. The simulators, where I've spent my only turbine hours, don't always have this.
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RE: Seat Pitch Vs. Comfortable Seating

Thu Jul 01, 2010 4:54 pm

Quoting boacvc10 (Thread starter):
5> Why can't designers figure out how to use the side wall void space for extra inches in circular passenger cabins?

We try to use every inch we can.

Some space has to be left for seat assembly deflection. Unless designed to be load sharing, in a worse case loading, nothing in the cabin can push against anything else.

With some of the premium cabin seat units space also needs to be left to allow an air path to the dado panels for rapid cabin decompression scenerios.

[Edited 2010-07-01 10:14:56]
 
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RE: Seat Pitch Vs. Comfortable Seating

Thu Jul 01, 2010 5:08 pm

Quoting Tod (Reply 7):

We try to us every inch we can.

Ain't that the truth, brother.
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RE: Seat Pitch Vs. Comfortable Seating

Fri Jul 02, 2010 9:11 am

Quoting boacvc10 (Thread starter):
do they have padding for a cushy feel?

Some pilots do, but not the skinny ones.

Quoting boacvc10 (Thread starter):
Do passenger seat designers ever sit in their own chair? For upto 18 hours?

If they take long flights, yes.

Quoting boacvc10 (Thread starter):
Do passenger seats feel comfortable with more seat-to-seat length distance, or seat-to-seat separation?

Yes.

Quoting boacvc10 (Thread starter):
if you have the ability to influence seat designers, please do so!

I shall.
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