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Pilot Headphone Question

Mon Jul 19, 2010 4:08 pm

If all parties, airline makers, civil aviation authorities and all gave it the OKAY, would you be happy wearing the "apple" type headphones in your ears with a little stick mic like the singers use?

Or is it a case of it isn't broke so don't fix it, thank you.
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RE: Pilot Headphone Question

Mon Jul 19, 2010 4:13 pm

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RE: Pilot Headphone Question

Mon Jul 19, 2010 8:12 pm

Quoting readytotaxi (Thread starter):
If all parties, airline makers, civil aviation authorities and all gave it the OKAY, would you be happy wearing the "apple" type headphones in your ears with a little stick mic like the singers use?

If Apple made them in 500-600 ohm impedance, I'm sure they could be used in such a role   However, Apple would also have to add a microphone to them...

To be a "legal" headset, though (one used by the flight crew, not passengers), you have to conform to an FAA TSO (not sure the number on that one), and most headsets also conform to a US MIL SPEC. I would love to know the requirements of that TSO  

As I recall, Sporty's sells an impedance matcher for 1/4" stereo headset headphones that allows them to be plugged into an aircraft intercom (it even handles the stereo to mono conversion-there are a few stereo intercoms around, mostly in GA planes. But the vast majority are mono). Obviously, you would need a 1/8" to 1/4" adapter to use it with iPod ear buds. But such an adapter on a non-aviation headset would only be legal for use by passengers.
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RE: Pilot Headphone Question

Mon Jul 19, 2010 9:46 pm

If by "Apple style" you mean earbuds, there are a few products on the market that are very similar in form factor. Obviously, most typical MP3 player earbuds possess miserable noise-cancelling properties, but Clarity Aloft (http://www.clarityaloft.com/features.htm) makes earbud headsets that claim up to 35-45 dB passive noise reduction. For those that don't mind the intrusive nature of earbuds (or the $525+ pricetag) they are one of the best since they create an excellent seal with your ear canal.

I have a friend who uses a Clarity Aloft headset and he really enjoys it.

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RE: Pilot Headphone Question

Fri Jul 30, 2010 7:51 am

The problem with anything that goes inside the ear or the ear canal itself, is the increased risk of an ear infection. Especially given the probability that they would be removed and reinserted frequently.

I was looking at some of the headsets, such as the "Plantronics MS30 StarSet Aviation Headset" and they look rather uncomfortable compared to a conventional headset with padded ear-cups. What's the main advantage of using those over a conventional headset like the one shown below?



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RE: Pilot Headphone Question

Fri Jul 30, 2010 8:11 am

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 2):
To be a "legal" headset, though (one used by the flight crew, not passengers), you have to conform to an FAA TSO (not sure the number on that one),

Actually, TSO is not required for most operations. Many 121 op specs allow operations with non TSO headsets.
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RE: Pilot Headphone Question

Sat Jul 31, 2010 12:39 am

Quoting richm (Reply 4):
The problem with anything that goes inside the ear or the ear canal itself, is the increased risk of an ear infection. Especially given the probability that they would be removed and reinserted frequently.

I was looking at some of the headsets, such as the "Plantronics MS30 StarSet Aviation Headset" and they look rather uncomfortable compared to a conventional headset with padded ear-cups. What's the main advantage of using those over a conventional headset like the one shown below?

I have NEVER heard of somebody getting an ear infection from putting an in-ear speaker in. If you're in a jet particularly there are a number of reasons for not wearing a full-ear headset like the Bose X in the picture:

Less noise
Comfort
Better passive noise reduction
Less bulk

I still wear my 10 year old David Clarks in the 170. I actually find the bose to be quite uncomfortable. After 4-5 hours ANY headset gets uncomfortable and on longer legs we'll often take them off in cruise. Most airliners don't have the intercom like a GA aircraft so the mic is either hot or off. The hiss of a hot mic gets pretty old (especially the bose, they're loud in the Embraers for some reason).

If I could afford it, I would readily buy a clarity aloft of lightspeed in-ear and get custom molded ear pieces. They fit in the palm of your hand, offer as much hearing protection and are comfortable for hours on end. Keep them clean and you'll have no problem. I know plenty of coworkers that can't say that about the over-ear headsets that come in the aircraft. I've actually had a rash develop after using one even though I wiped it with an sanitizing wipe.
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RE: Pilot Headphone Question

Sun Aug 01, 2010 9:27 pm

I just switched from my DC's to the Lightspeed Mach 1 with the custom ear gels. AMAZING. I'll never go back to another big clunky headset. It is fantastic in both the jets I fly at work, and when I can afford to rent a piston popper. It is the first headset I have owned that I can say is still comfortable after 8 hours.
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RE: Pilot Headphone Question

Mon Aug 02, 2010 4:13 pm

We use those Bose Xs on our C-12. They sound good and work good but the yokes for the ear pieces need to be of better material. I am constantly sending headsets back to Bose for warrenty work because the plastic cracks.
 
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RE: Pilot Headphone Question

Tue Aug 03, 2010 8:49 pm

I use a Telex 750 in the CRJ. Cheap, reliable and TSO'd.
 
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RE: Pilot Headphone Question

Thu Aug 05, 2010 11:55 am

Wouldn't the Cup types be more effective in locating desired sound to the ears only.
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RE: Pilot Headphone Question

Thu Aug 05, 2010 7:01 pm

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 10):
Wouldn't the Cup types be more effective in locating desired sound to the ears only.
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I asked this once in this forum, and TDSCanuck said that, while the cup type headsets will work with an airliner intercom (i.e. it is electronically compatible), it will also block some important sounds from the crew alerting systems in modern flight decks.

Not only that, but the cup type headsets can get mighty uncomfortable after a couple of hours of flying    They squeeze your ears like a vise grip. I have done many long cross countries in GA planes with cup type headsets...you do need them in GA planes, though, for hearing protection (unless you have an excellent active noise reduction headset). Most cup type headsets have in the neighborhood of 22-24 dB passive noise reduction.
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