beakerltn
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Question: Should Seats Show Seatbelt Status?

Mon Aug 02, 2010 8:25 pm

Hi all, a question for debate....


Should the cabin overhead panels indicate when the person sitting there has their seatbelt on? (like in a car)


On the plus side.. no more having to make your seatbelt visible if you want a snooze, and an easier life for the FA's

on the negative side, it's a bit draconian.

Discuss!
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RottenRay
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RE: Question: Should Seats Show Seatbelt Status?

Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:25 pm

Beaker -

Not draconian at all. One is supposed to stay buckled in whenever sitting down.


As far as the technology to do this, it's very simple.

However, from an aircraft perspective, it will probably be very expensive as everything has to be tested, certed, et cetera.


I think the decision would be made based on whether or not the cost of fitting and maintaining the system would figure to be less than what injuries are costing in the form of higher insurance rates.



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RE: Question: Should Seats Show Seatbelt Status?

Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:38 pm

Costs Involved would defeat the purpose,considering spares & its added weight.Also cater to malfunctions along the way.
Physical check would be easier & cheaper.
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RE: Question: Should Seats Show Seatbelt Status?

Tue Aug 03, 2010 12:32 am

Quoting BeakerLTN (Thread starter):
On the plus side.. no more having to make your seatbelt visible if you want a snooze, and an easier life for the FA's

How would it do that? You could simply fasten the seatbelt and then sit on it.
 
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RE: Question: Should Seats Show Seatbelt Status?

Tue Aug 03, 2010 1:09 am

It would be a really nice feature in flight deck seats,

I have personally had a couple of occasions where I have reached over for something in the cockpit and heard my seatbelt come loose....big ooops!
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RE: Question: Should Seats Show Seatbelt Status?

Tue Aug 03, 2010 11:30 am

Quoting rottenray (Reply 1):
One is supposed to stay buckled in whenever sitting down.

I think it's more of an advisory. I've heard the pilot request that if seated, you leave your seatbelt fastened. I don't think it's mandatory.
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RE: Question: Should Seats Show Seatbelt Status?

Wed Aug 04, 2010 5:17 am

Quoting unattendedbag (Reply 5):
I don't think it's mandatory.

It may be the airline's internal policy to mandate that seat belts be worn. For example, an airline may state, "It is required that you wear your seatbelt while you are in your seat." Like Air Canada http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FVkYF8iNuA
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RE: Question: Should Seats Show Seatbelt Status?

Wed Aug 04, 2010 10:17 am

Quoting unattendedbag (Reply 5):

I think it's more of an advisory. I've heard the pilot request that if seated, you leave your seatbelt fastened. I don't think it's mandatory.

Looking back at History....That Advisory has a lot of weight  
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 3):

How would it do that? You could simply fasten the seatbelt and then sit on it.

Very Well put.....If Pax could all be trusted to follow Instructions,Most issues in Aviation would be addressed.

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RE: Question: Should Seats Show Seatbelt Status?

Fri Aug 06, 2010 2:17 pm

If your gonna have a light for seatbelts why not for tray tables and seatbacks?
 
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RE: Question: Should Seats Show Seatbelt Status?

Fri Aug 06, 2010 3:30 pm

Quoting KingairTA (Reply 8):
If your gonna have a light for seatbelts why not for tray tables and seatbacks?


Because there are times when you should be buckled in yet it is still okay to have the tray down or the seat back.

I think the best use of this system would be to allow the CC to see via an annunciator board which seats aren't buckled and be able to remind them, either by walking right to the seat or using the PA.

Could save injuries, but again it's cost vs. cost... Installation vs. injuries.



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RE: Question: Should Seats Show Seatbelt Status?

Fri Aug 06, 2010 6:46 pm

Quoting rottenray (Reply 9):
Because there are times when you should be buckled in yet it is still okay to have the tray down or the seat back.

I've been on many flights where people are told to put the seats up for landing and once the attendant goes and sits down some goober will recline the seat.
 
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RE: Question: Should Seats Show Seatbelt Status?

Fri Aug 06, 2010 7:12 pm

Quoting MarkHKG (Reply 6):
It may be the airline's internal policy to mandate that seat belts be worn.

Which means, in the US anyway, that federal law would compel compliance (i.e. it IS mandatory). See 14 CFR 121.317(k).
 
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RE: Question: Should Seats Show Seatbelt Status?

Tue Aug 10, 2010 3:15 am

Quoting KingairTA (Reply 10):
once the attendant goes and sits down some goober will recline the seat.



On that note as a mechanic we quite regularly have the flight attendants write a snag saying something along the lines of "Seat 4A won't stay in upright position", and then when we get on board we will walk back to said seat, find it in the reclined position, put it to the upright position, and then heave and reef on the seat for a few minutes solid and find that the seat is functioning perfectly normal, no matter what we try it stays in the upright position just fine. I often wonder if the reason for the snag was the passenger didn't feel like having it upright, and just told the f/a that he/she can't get it to stay upright so it must be broken.

In all fairness, I've seen lots of times where there actually was a problem with the seat (hydrolock was worn out or a jamnut was loose, etc), but my experience has been that when they snag a seat as wont stay upright, well over 50% of the time we find the seat is working just fine...

Anyways, my apologies for being off topic, but I tend to agree that the seatbelt being on or not lights would almost definately be more work, weight and cost that it's worth. On top of that, I'm sure determined passengers would find a way around it before long...


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RE: Question: Should Seats Show Seatbelt Status?

Sun Aug 22, 2010 6:25 pm

Quoting CanadianNorth (Reply 12):

I've noticed sometimes my arm or leg will rest against the button to recline the seat, hence why it returns to the reclined position when it is put back in the upright position. But that has only been my experience.
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RE: Question: Should Seats Show Seatbelt Status?

Sun Aug 22, 2010 7:13 pm

My experience when I use to do reliability analysis at an airline showed that anything that a passenger can touch will break more often than any other part on an airplane. Seats and Stowbins are two of the largest mechanical causes of delays. Adding a complex seatbelt will be a nightmare. The system would be so unreliable that flight attendants would not trust it and it defeats its purpose. Getting a green light to come on a suite to indicate that it is secure for landing is already complex and prone to failure.
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RE: Question: Should Seats Show Seatbelt Status?

Wed Aug 25, 2010 2:53 pm

Quoting KingairTA (Reply 10):
I've been on many flights where people are told to put the seats up for landing and once the attendant goes and sits down some goober will recline the seat.

Pity people don't realise the reason rules are in place for.
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