josekmlb
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A/C Cargo Bins

Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:13 pm

Now that its summer time again and stacking those bins suck in this heat, why cant there be an air vent for us ramp rats on the mainline jets like they have in the RJ bins? just curious?
 
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RE: A/C Cargo Bins

Tue Aug 03, 2010 1:00 pm

Because you'd lose your fire suppression rating? 'Course that doesn't explain why RJ's do have them. Got me there.
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KingAir200
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RE: A/C Cargo Bins

Tue Aug 03, 2010 2:49 pm

I want to say the Airbus narrowbodies do, but it's been a long time since we've gotten one in my station.
 
MattRB
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RE: A/C Cargo Bins

Tue Aug 03, 2010 4:01 pm

The E-Jet series (E170-195) have one in the forward hold. Can't remember if there's also one in the rear hold as well. Doesn't help.
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contrails15
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RE: A/C Cargo Bins

Tue Aug 03, 2010 7:02 pm

When its crazy hot, we'll take the air hose off the plane and put it into the belly. Pretty easy to do on a 320 and 190. Well, this is until we get caught doing it or the flight deck starts to bitch about how hot it is up there but even then we'll tell them the temp prob must be broken and they'll just start the apu early.
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RE: A/C Cargo Bins

Tue Aug 03, 2010 7:45 pm

Quoting AirstairFear (Reply 1):
Because you'd lose your fire suppression rating? 'Course that doesn't explain why RJ's do have them. Got me there.

Not true... On the Ejets once a fire detection is noticed, the valve supplying the air closes.


To be honest.. because the designers really don't care about you. They would rather supply the air to the cabin where the people that are flying the plane and paying to be on the plane are. You can't do both.
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RE: A/C Cargo Bins

Tue Aug 03, 2010 7:51 pm

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 5):
To be honest.. because the designers really don't care about you. They would rather supply the air to the cabin where the people that are flying the plane and paying to be on the plane are. You can't do both.

And thats what Embraer was thinking because designing with the ground crew in mind was the last thing on there mind and it shows in the way they designed there planes.
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RE: A/C Cargo Bins

Tue Aug 03, 2010 8:04 pm

Quoting contrails15 (Reply 6):
And thats what Embraer was thinking because designing with the ground crew in mind

Actually no.. it's only in the forward pit....and more to do about carrying live animals....and only an option.
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contrails15
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RE: A/C Cargo Bins

Tue Aug 03, 2010 8:33 pm

I don't know what E jets your working on but our 190 holds are put together like crap. Flooring is coming up on just about everyone. The metal stripping that holds down the cheap piece of crap plastic flooring is coming up which at the tips turns into a razor blade. I can't tell you how many people cut there legs open on it. The belly wasn't designed for the abuse that its gonna take with luggage and cargo in mind. I probably work on a 190 between 30-40 times a week and they are a horrible aircraft to work on. This is my opinion of course, I've heard there amazing to fly but I'm not a pilot so really don't care about there flight performance. This fatigue should not be happening a month into the planes service and unfortunatly this is not an isolated incident and why isn't the service panel in the front of the cabin. Oh and our holds aren't fitted for live animal transport so perhaps those that are, are made better which i'm thinking is a long shot.
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RE: A/C Cargo Bins

Thu Aug 05, 2010 2:29 pm

Quoting MattRB (Reply 3):
The E-Jet series (E170-195) have one in the forward hold. Can't remember if there's also one in the rear hold as well. Doesn't help.

Just to illustrate the point - worked one last night (o/b to YQR) and was sweating buckets doing the onload.

Quoting contrails15 (Reply 6):
And thats what Embraer was thinking because designing with the ground crew in mind was the last thing on there mind and it shows in the way they designed there planes.

+1    I'd rather work the hold of a CRJ than in the hold of an EJet.
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RE: A/C Cargo Bins

Thu Aug 05, 2010 6:22 pm

Quoting contrails15 (Reply 8):
don't know what E jets your working on but our 190 holds are put together like crap.

Contrails15, he works on OURS, at the EMB HMV facility. I have worked with him a few times now. Just an FYI...
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RE: A/C Cargo Bins

Thu Aug 05, 2010 6:59 pm

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 10):
ontrails15, he works on OURS, at the EMB HMV facility. I have worked with him a few times now. Just an FYI...

Well lets figure out a way so that we're not cutting the crap out of our legs on the floor. The airplane is a great plane to fly in and fly itself but geeeeez, no effort went into that belly. I would rather work on those ERJ's we had while we lost a few 190's few years back then these 190's. Horrible plane to load. The accuse that you should have the ground crew in mind as the last thing you should be thinking about in a design of a plane is bullshit. EMB went cheap when it came to that belly. Bring a designer to my gate next time i have to load 102 BDA bags in that freakin belly where the floor is half gone and the metal strips are sticking up . One last thing, why are the grate covers for the smoke detector not flush with the ceiling?????? Must they hang down. I'd love to go a full week without hitting my head on one.
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RE: A/C Cargo Bins

Thu Aug 05, 2010 8:28 pm

Quoting contrails15 (Reply 11):

We get DL's MD88s with the floor sticking up as well I have cut my knee before but I guess thats the reason for knee pads. And today I had a CR7 with the same thing with the floors sticking up like razor blades
 
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RE: A/C Cargo Bins

Thu Aug 05, 2010 10:06 pm

Quoting contrails15 (Reply 11):
Well lets figure out a way so that we're not cutting the crap out of our legs on the floor. The airplane is a great plane to fly in and fly itself but geeeeez, no effort went into that belly.

Based on the last update I saw, there is a modified cargo floor being released...
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contrails15
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RE: A/C Cargo Bins

Thu Aug 05, 2010 10:41 pm

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 13):
Based on the last update I saw, there is a modified cargo floor being released...

Thats the best news I've heard in sometime now. I remember when B6 got there first couple 190's. The flooring was carpet. LMAO Ah man good times when we first got these planes, good times.
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RE: A/C Cargo Bins

Fri Aug 06, 2010 5:49 pm

Quoting MattRB (Reply 9):
+1 I'd rather work the hold of a CRJ than in the hold of an EJet.

I don't think Embraer knows how to design a good bin. The ERJs are terrible as compared to the CRJ and the EJet and it's massive smoke detector guards and terrible floor doesn't help either. Oh and who could forget the blowout cages and bulkhead along the left.

Quoting josekmlb (Reply 12):
And today I had a CR7 with the same thing with the floors sticking up like razor blades

One of the ones with the metal plates on the floor?

[Edited 2010-08-06 10:56:20]
 
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RE: A/C Cargo Bins

Fri Aug 06, 2010 6:17 pm

Quoting contrails15 (Reply 11):
Quoting contrails15 (Reply 11):
One last thing, why are the grate covers for the smoke detector not flush with the ceiling?????? Must they hang down. I'd love to go a full week without hitting my head on one

But Contrails, that is why they gave us those cool hardhats to wear while loading bags! As you mentioned before, they are a great plane to fly in, but horrible to work on. You guys can keep em on the East Coast, I dont want them back here in LGB
 
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RE: A/C Cargo Bins

Fri Aug 06, 2010 8:48 pm

Quoting spchamp1 (Reply 16):
But Contrails, that is why they gave us those cool hardhats to wear while loading bags! As you mentioned before, they are a great plane to fly in, but horrible to work on. You guys can keep em on the East Coast, I dont want them back here in LGB

No way, we love to spread the love around here at JFK so you'll be getting them soon enough. LOL This might sound messed up but its making feel better that others are suffering with this aircraft. 2010 and we don't have the technology in the aviation industry to make a belly floor that doesn't come up but double decker airplanes no problem.
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spchamp1
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RE: A/C Cargo Bins

Sat Aug 07, 2010 2:44 am

Contrails, I dont think we will be seeing them on the west coast again until LGB will allow us to use them as commuter and not taking up a commercial slot. Could be worse, we could run 9x a day to the Bay Area with almost constant GDPs! Oh wait, we already do.
 
josekmlb
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RE: A/C Cargo Bins

Sat Aug 07, 2010 4:30 am

Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 15):
One of the ones with the metal plates on the floor?

Yes with the metal plates.
 
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RE: A/C Cargo Bins

Sat Aug 07, 2010 3:47 pm

The wellfare of the ramprats is the least concern of the airline.
 
josekmlb
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RE: A/C Cargo Bins

Sat Aug 07, 2010 4:57 pm

Quoting 744rules (Reply 20):

That might be but it's us who bust our butts for you the pax to get you out on time. But it's about 97% bad feedback, but when it's a good turn or anything we get nothing. I know the airlines don't care it shows.
 
contrails15
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RE: A/C Cargo Bins

Sat Aug 07, 2010 5:32 pm

Ramp really is the unsong heros. I mean everyone has there part but I know a few pilots that will let you know that they know what we go through. You see, this is where I get pissed that I'm in the same payscale as above the wing in my company. Being in NYC you gotta deal with every weather event there is. Dealing with million dollars planes and using all types of vehicles but I do like what i do.
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RE: A/C Cargo Bins

Sun Aug 08, 2010 12:38 am

Quoting josekmlb (Reply 19):
Yes with the metal plates.

I will never understand why someone thought those were a good idea.

Quoting 744rules (Reply 20):
The wellfare of the ramprats is the least concern of the airline.

Thanks for your contribution. We're all better for it. At any rate, yes, the welfare of the average ramper is a concern of the airline. Maybe not in a completely altruistic sense, but bills for those visits to the clinic for OJIs certainly do add up.
 
spchamp1
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RE: A/C Cargo Bins

Sun Aug 08, 2010 5:15 am

Hey Contrails, has anyone in JFK brought up, why some of our tails still have the rail guides for the AUX Fuel tank program that utterly failed? Having to stack our long hauls with cargo FWD and bags in 3-1 is annoying! Then you add the 2 clamps on each side of the bin. Ive lost some skin and had to replace a few kneepads after a run in with those.
 
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RE: A/C Cargo Bins

Sun Aug 08, 2010 12:26 pm

Quoting spchamp1 (Reply 24):
Hey Contrails, has anyone in JFK brought up, why some of our tails still have the rail guides for the AUX Fuel tank program that utterly failed? Having to stack our long hauls with cargo FWD and bags in 3-1 is annoying! Then you add the 2 clamps on each side of the bin. Ive lost some skin and had to replace a few kneepads after a run in with those.

Not that I know of. It is a pain and I do wish they would remove the rail guides and the foam on the back wall of 3-1 but I really don't think this is going to happen as it does not poss a huge problem, just more of an annoying one and having annoying problems doesn't get the job done in this company. Staking wise I don't think its too much of a pain but if your tossing bags from the belt loader, thats a different story. If you toss a bag and hit one of those clips, the bag does cartwheel and bangs into whoever your tossing the bag too. With the stupid rails you can't toss the bag flat which really sucks if you have to pack a D.R flight. I'm thinking it would be a big to do too remove everything although it doesn't seem like such a big deal.
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