mrskyguy
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ETOPS Certification For A Boeing 737-200?

Fri Aug 20, 2010 7:21 pm

Being a big fan of the 737-200, it's no surprise that I'm always looking just a little bit closer at these aircraft type operators. Today I was spinning through the database and enjoying the view, when I came across an Aloha Air Cargo image that took me a bit by surprise.


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Notice that she has "ETOPS" on the nose gear doors? I've seen this a number of times on more modern aircraft (especially COA's 737 fleet) but I've never seen them on a 737-200. How does ETOPS certification work for a JT8D-powered twin? Im assuming that the regulations are no different for a -200 than they would be for, say, a -800.. each having to follow the associated ETOPS requirements for ETOPS flight (engine MTBUR, etc). But then again, this is a first for my eyes.

Clearly Aloha benefits from ETOPS certification due to the nature of their main base being square in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, but I always thought Aloha's only ETOPS-certified aircraft were the PAX 737NGs (prior to BK), not the more seasoned -200s. I do occasionally see an Aloha Cargo 732 fly nonstop from HNL to OAK for maintenance, but I've always been under the impression that such a flight simply required a special maintnenace ferry permit from the local FSDO.

Can anyone shine any light on this subject?


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ETOPS Certification For A Boeing 737-200?

Fri Aug 20, 2010 9:57 pm

That's the old Aloha Airlines (date on photo is 2003). Does the current Aloha Cargo Airlines have ETOPS certification? If not mistaken, the former Aloha opeated cargo service to a copule of remote Pacific islands other than in Hawaii where they presumably needed ETOPS.
 
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ETOPS Certification For A Boeing 737-200?

Sat Aug 21, 2010 12:03 am

If I am not mistaken, the B732 had authority for only up to 120-minute ETOPS; my guess they used it (original AQ) down to Christmas Island. The B732 never had ETOPS capability for 180-min ETOPS.

The new standard FAA ETOPS Authorization in the Operations Specification states that if a certificate holder doesnt use their ETOPS authority for 6 months (a rolling 6 months if you will) the FAA can revoke it until the certificate holder flies a new proving run.

So, IF (and thats a big IF), the original-AQ ETOPS authority carried through to the new carrier (and I have no clue if it did), with this new rule in the OpSpecs (para. B342), it went poof after 6 months, unless they are flying ETOPS currently, and I doubt that.
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ETOPS Certification For A Boeing 737-200?

Sun Aug 22, 2010 7:17 am

Quoting mrskyguy (Thread starter):

I'm not sure why N817AL was ETOPS certified, but I believe that this aircraft was used for cargo flights to MDY. I don't know when it was ETOPS certified, so I cannot say if it was used for ETOPS pax flights before being converted to full-time cargo use, as it was in the picture in your post.

Quoting dispatchguy (Reply 2):
If I am not mistaken, the B732 had authority for only up to 120-minute ETOPS; my guess they used it (original AQ) down to Christmas Island. The B732 never had ETOPS capability for 180-min ETOPS.

In addition to Christmas Island (CXI), AQ had 732 ETOPS flights to Midway (MDY), Johnston (JON), Kwajalein (KWA), and Majuro (MAJ).

This is the aircraft that was used for pax flights, N808AL:


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N817AL stopped being ETOPS certified in 2003 or early 2004. N808AL stopped being ETOPS certified in 2004.
 
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ETOPS Certification For A Boeing 737-200?

Sun Aug 22, 2010 8:06 pm

Quoting ha763 (Reply 3):
In addition to Christmas Island (CXI), AQ had 732 ETOPS flights to Midway (MDY), Johnston (JON), Kwajalein (KWA), and Majuro (MAJ).

How are these islands serviced now? (from a freight perspective)
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ETOPS Certification For A Boeing 737-200?

Mon Aug 23, 2010 2:32 am

Quoting mrskyguy (Reply 4):

CXI, JON, KWA, and MAJ were pax flights on AQ. JON is closed. The Coast Guard has flights to MDY. Air Pacific restarted HNL-CXI about 2 years after AQ dropped the route. MAJ and KWA are still serviced by Continental Micronesia. MAJ also has 727F service to HNL on Asia Pacific Airlines.
 
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RE: Etops Certification For A Boeing 737-200?

Wed Aug 25, 2010 7:47 pm

Quoting ha763 (Reply 5):
CXI, JON, KWA, and MAJ were pax flights on AQ. JON is closed. The Coast Guard has flights to MDY. Air Pacific restarted HNL-CXI about 2 years after AQ dropped the route. MAJ and KWA are still serviced by Continental Micronesia. MAJ also has 727F service to HNL on Asia Pacific Airlines.

Aloha Cargo runs freight charters from time to time that fall outside of the 4 typical island airports they serve. Any ideas on where?
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