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A380 Landing Question.

Tue Aug 24, 2010 6:51 pm

Hello everyone,
On my recent flights on the now famous AF A380 (CDG-LHR),I passed the remark to myself that the landing at CDG was with a sudden "bang" as we returned to earth.I put this down to "experience"(on my behalf) and thought "well there is one to remember".On my return flight the next day into LHR,I had a similar experience,only this time the touchdown was much harder,even to the extent that an overhead locker flew open and a bag fell onto a passengers shoulder(thankfully she was okay I may add!!).
My question is has anyone else had any similar experience on the A380?.I have flown in the A330,B747,and B777,and the touchdown was very smooth.
(Incidentally I hope I have posted this question in the correct forum!!)
Thanks for your help,
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RE: A380 Landing Question.

Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:22 pm

You do realize that the big reason AF operates the A-380 on such a short flight is for pilots to gain experience in the type, right? People new to any aircraft tend to be more concerned with safe landings; smooth landings come with experience, and are a bonus.
 
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RE: A380 Landing Question.

Mon Aug 30, 2010 5:48 am

I agree. It does land with a clumsy thud. I was thinking about this only this morning. You'd think it would drift down on top of a cushion of air under those giant wings.

Quoting PGNCS (Reply 1):
AF operates the A-380 on such a short flight is for pilots to gain experience in the type, right?

Maybe it is just pilots getting experience on the type, practising their landings.

I hope AF do the same again next summer!
and with that..cabin crew, seats for landing please.
 
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RE: A380 Landing Question.

Mon Aug 30, 2010 6:17 pm

I have only been on the A380 once. I flew EK001 DXB-LHR last month, and I noticed the exact same thing. The touchdown was pretty hard, and a loud thud could be heard. No overhead lockers opened, but there were a few gasps heard around the cabin the moment we touched down.
I was always told that the larger the aircraft the softer the landing, something to do with an increase in ground effect in larger aircraft (could be entirely mistaken though).
 
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RE: A380 Landing Question.

Mon Aug 30, 2010 8:19 pm

Have to say that my four landings on the Qantas A380 were all excellent...
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RE: A380 Landing Question.

Mon Aug 30, 2010 8:37 pm

It's strange, I heard quiet often that the A380 landings were hard - but I have no answer for this. I would think, that the A380 should be not more difficult to land than a A330 or A320??? A friend of me (A320 pilot) told me, that they have to make once a month an auto-pilot landing and thats always quiet hard - but I don't think all these A380 landings are auto-pilot landings.

My only experience with the A380 was with Emirates from Auckland to Sydney and the landing was smooth.
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RE: A380 Landing Question.

Mon Aug 30, 2010 8:56 pm

Maybe it seems exaggerated because the cabin is so quiet?
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RE: A380 Landing Question.

Mon Aug 30, 2010 10:46 pm

At this point it is all anecdotal. The fact that people have experienced a few "firm" landings on the 380 doesn't mean this is always the case. No statistical evidence.
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RE: A380 Landing Question.

Tue Aug 31, 2010 3:50 am

Well, just as a personal observation I notice the A380 shares the same forward trailing gear bogie as the 767.



This is rather an unforgiving design, especially if you are not completely lined up on touch down (landing with some sideways drift)



It seems to magnify errors and less than perfect technique whereas the conventional trailing gear bogies tend to 'soak up'
the touchdown far more efficiently.
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RE: A380 Landing Question.

Tue Aug 31, 2010 7:17 pm

Quoting babybus (Reply 2):
You'd think it would drift down on top of a cushion of air under those giant wings.


My thoughts exactly,and to be honest I said to myself that " practise makes perfect" and the pilots were doing just that!!!.

Quoting BA6590 (Reply 3):
I was always told that the larger the aircraft the softer the landing, something to do with an increase in ground effect in larger aircraft


Funny I was told the same a few years ago!!!!.

Thank you all for your replies,great to see so many people having different and similar experiences.      
 
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RE: A380 Landing Question.

Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:04 pm

Quoting Max Q (Reply 8):
Well, just as a personal observation I notice the A380 shares the same forward trailing gear bogie as the 767.



This is rather an unforgiving design, especially if you are not completely lined up on touch down (landing with some sideways drift)

hey hey

I have always noticed this on the Boeing 767 type and when I asked pilots they blamed it on gear position and also pointed out that a ‘smooth’ landing is often not a good one.

A landing is more about getting the aircraft down at the right point of the runway not making it smooth for the pax (and floating down the runway and having to over brake).

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RE: A380 Landing Question.

Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:30 pm

You are right Kimberly,



Of course, when we can combine landing in the correct touchdown zone with a smooth landing that is best of all !
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RE: A380 Landing Question.

Thu Sep 02, 2010 2:10 pm

Quoting kimberlyrj (Reply 10):
hey hey

I have always noticed this on the Boeing 767 type and when I asked pilots they blamed it on gear position and also pointed out that a ‘smooth’ landing is often not a good one.

A landing is more about getting the aircraft down at the right point of the runway not making it smooth for the pax (and floating down the runway and having to over brake).

Kimberly

Correct there, espceially if the runway is even a little bit damp and/or there are windy conditions, it is always best to make a firm landing to make good contact with the wheels on the runway through the wet, and to prevent drifting off the runway.

''Greasing'' as ive heard some pilots call it, is not always the best option.

I suppose aswell if the pilots are new to the A380 they will leave practising smooth landings to later on, they probably have more important stuff to worry about first!

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