BWIA330
Topic Author
Posts: 821
Joined: Tue Jan 23, 2001 10:22 am

Getting That First Flying Job

Tue Oct 12, 2010 7:40 pm

Hey guys,

I am about 10 hours away from completing my training with a commercial multi ifr. I was wondering how hard is it out there right now in Canada to obtain jobs in flying? I would rather not go down the instructing route as I see alot of instructors at my club struggling to even make money or get students for that matter. The economy seems pretty slow. Whats another good way to build time? If I go work for an airline in another position, is there a possibility they can recognize my skills and hire me for a pilot job?

Regards

BWIA330
 
tb727
Posts: 1733
Joined: Thu Jun 30, 2005 1:40 pm

RE: Getting That First Flying Job

Tue Oct 12, 2010 10:21 pm

You can always go work at a small airline and work in dispatch or something then work your way into flight ops. That's what I did, it was mostly by accident but it has really worked out for me.
Too lazy to work, too scared to steal!
 
pilotpip
Posts: 2820
Joined: Fri Sep 19, 2003 3:26 pm

RE: Getting That First Flying Job

Tue Oct 12, 2010 10:57 pm

Instructors do struggle to make money, however you're not going to find many jobs that will build time. You could get your foot in the door as tb727 did however many of us do that in addition to instructing. It all comes down to experience. Don't sell yourself out for nothing, you've worked hard (and paid a lot) to get those ratings but don't be afraid to instruct. You'll learn more than you can imagine.
DMI
 
DashTrash
Posts: 1266
Joined: Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:44 am

RE: Getting That First Flying Job

Wed Oct 13, 2010 1:52 am

I don't blame you for not wanting to instruct, but in the long run I think you'll be better off for doing it. You can spend many years trying to build enough time to get to an airline and in the process giving up longevity and eventual upgrade which will lead to you getting on with a large carrier making good money.

Most airlines I'm familiar with may lower their minimums for an internal hire, but there will still be minimum times you have to meet which could still be more than you're able to get without instructing. Don't forget that getting into initial ground school is only half the battle. You still need some additional experience to draw from which you don't have right now.

You've worked hard and achieved a level of proficiency that is to be commended at this point, but the learning isn't over and the dues paying have just begun. I really think as unpleasant as the instructing income is, it will pay huge dividends in the long run. Keep in mind the economy will get better and the student load will pick up as well.

Best of luck to you!
 
YWG
Posts: 1055
Joined: Wed Feb 07, 2001 11:29 am

RE: Getting That First Flying Job

Thu Oct 14, 2010 5:02 am

Move west, and get a job loading bags in Winnipeg. You will throw bags for a while, but it's worth it. 1-2year wait for right seat of a twin turbine airplane, making ok money.

[Edited 2010-10-13 22:15:52]
Contact Winnipeg center now on 134.4, good day.
 
DiamondFlyer
Posts: 2136
Joined: Wed Oct 29, 2008 11:50 pm

RE: Getting That First Flying Job

Thu Oct 14, 2010 2:04 pm

Quoting DashTrash (Reply 3):
I don't blame you for not wanting to instruct, but in the long run I think you'll be better off for doing it. You can spend many years trying to build enough time to get to an airline and in the process giving up longevity and eventual upgrade which will lead to you getting on with a large carrier making good money.

I disagree. If he doesn't want to instruct, he shouldn't instruct. One of the few positives of the hiring boom a few years ago, is the people that didn't want to instruct moved on, and those who did want to instruct stayed to instruct. Now today, we've got an abundance of instructors that don't want to instruct, but feel like they have to in order to build time. That ends up with two downsides. One, students can end up with instructors who are more concerned with getting flight time than teaching a student, and see a poor student as an opportunity to build time. Secondly, some flight instructors have taken the "I'll fly for free method", which ends up hurting everyone else in the long run.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying don't get a CFI. Its a learning experience in itself, which I'm glad I did. But think it through before you commit to making your primary job a flight instructor.

-DiamondFlyer
From my cold, dead hands
 
n6238p
Posts: 373
Joined: Fri Jan 27, 2006 5:35 am

RE: Getting That First Flying Job

Fri Oct 15, 2010 1:12 am

One of the things I've struggled with since graduation from my school is finding a flying job. I flight instructed for two semesters and now I'm struggling to find any work. I think what you should do is make yourself as marketable as possible and grab at the first thing that comes along. At least in the United States, now isn't the best time to be picky about what step to take next.
To actively root against anybody is just low, and I hope karma comes back at you with a vengeance
 
lowrider
Posts: 2542
Joined: Wed Jun 30, 2004 3:09 am

RE: Getting That First Flying Job

Fri Oct 15, 2010 3:14 am

I have heard various people say over the years that they, "didn't want to instruct". I have absolutely no sympathy for that point of view. If most people only did the jobs that they wanted to, they would starve, and probably rightly so. If instructing is what you can get, take it and make the best of it. I did not particularly relish the prospect of instructing either, but I did it for a few years, and did the best job I could. That is part of learning to be a professional, and what separates them from the hobbyist. If you think you can get by only doing desirable jobs, you won't last long.
Proud OOTSK member
 
flight152
Posts: 3211
Joined: Fri Nov 24, 2000 8:04 am

RE: Getting That First Flying Job

Sat Oct 16, 2010 4:23 am

An airline is the last place for a new commercial pilot. After instructing for two years, I now know how little I knew when I started. It's not just about the time, but rather everything you will learn along the way.
 
atct
Posts: 2472
Joined: Fri Mar 16, 2001 6:42 am

RE: Getting That First Flying Job

Sun Oct 24, 2010 9:37 pm

One Word...

Networking


Clint
Trikes are for kids!
 
Fly2HMO
Posts: 7207
Joined: Sat Jan 24, 2004 12:14 pm

RE: Getting That First Flying Job

Sun Oct 24, 2010 11:22 pm

I'll put it this way... I graduated two years ago and sent my resume to well over 100 places and not ONE place called me back. So far I've got some joke of a desk job administrating a tiny executive jet operation. I've flown less than 20 hours since I graduated. NOBODY in my CFI class has a flying job right now but 1 guy, everybody else gave up and left the aviation field altogether.

It's tough. Very tough right now.

As for flight instructing, you don't HAVE to do it, but in a tanked economy like nowadays there's hardly any other time building jobs out there, or CFI jobs for that matter.

Get an internship at a major airline if you can. It was an extremely valuable experience for me and a great chance for networking.

Quoting atct (Reply 9):
One Word...

Networking

Couldn't agree more. Get to know people and get noticed. That's the only reason I got my current job.

[Edited 2010-10-24 16:27:42]

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 13 guests