Soxfan
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Crew Timeout Question

Sat Jan 29, 2011 2:36 am

Hi All,

A quick question: Except for a diversion, can a crew timeout only prior to takeoff, or can it be after landing as well? If the latter, what happens if, say, a plane has landed at its destination airport but is stuck waiting for a gate for three hours, which is longer than the designated time for the crew. What happens in that scenario?
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spchamp1
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RE: Crew Timeout Question

Sat Jan 29, 2011 2:54 am

Pilots can timeout after landing but before they get to the gate. They will maintain control of the A/C until it is parked in the gate. Hell, they are probably getting paid for it, why complain. The only thing it should really affect would be their report time the following "legal" flying day.
 
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RE: Crew Timeout Question

Sat Jan 29, 2011 3:09 am

Quoting spchamp1 (Reply 1):
Hell, they are probably getting paid for it, why complain.

Only paid for door close to door open.

A crew theoretically could time out on a turn to where they cant operate the return leg back to the base or city. That usually spells trouble for the passengers.
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Mir
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RE: Crew Timeout Question

Sat Jan 29, 2011 4:20 am

Quoting spchamp1 (Reply 1):
Pilots can timeout after landing but before they get to the gate.

Yes, but only for subsequent flights. IIRC, if you're legal to takeoff, you're legal to finish that particular flight, even if you run well over your duty time waiting for a gate at the other end.

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gman3
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RE: Crew Timeout Question

Sat Jan 29, 2011 4:23 am

Pay depends on the airline. At mine (united) we get paid from the time the brakes are released until the time they are set. So if we take a delay on the runway we get paid. But if we are at the gate with the door open, we do not get paid, i have had 4 hour delays at the gate and do not get paid a dime despite the fact that I am working. This also goes for boarding the aircraft. We do no get paid for that either.
 
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RE: Crew Timeout Question

Mon Jan 31, 2011 11:46 pm

Sox,

The big reason it happens "prior" to departure is because we can't depart if there is any reason we might exceed duty limitations. Diversions included. The 16 hour duty limit is a hard limit. You're not supposed to exceed it. Period.

Typically if the delays are getting long enough and our duty is getting close to that 16 hours (or less depending on rest) it's not unusual for us to get reassigned or have a reserve pilot take over to prevent delays or stranding passengers. It does happen sometimes though. Last summer I timed out when we diverted to LIT on a COS-ATL leg due to thunderstorms. We did our best to hold as long as safely possible knowing full well that the second our wheels touched in LIT I was done. Because of the WX and the time of day they were unable to get another FO to the aircraft and as a result about 65 passengers spend the night in the Arkansas capital on Delta's dime.
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