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How Do Airlines Prepare For A New Airplane?

Thu Feb 03, 2011 11:14 pm

Is there an initial cadre of pilots and flight attendants that are specially selected from various types of other airplanes to undergo training? For example, when DL was getting the 777, there wasn't an aircraft like it yet in the fleet. Did they pick 767 pilots or did they simply post a bulletin for captains that wanted to change airplanes to apply?
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RE: How Do Airlines Prepare For A New Airplane?

Sun Feb 06, 2011 12:05 am

Seniority!!!

And experience on airplanes that have a common layout. I know that when EK took delivery of their first A380 they chose to use experienced A340 pilots to be the first to fly it because of the high similarity between the two. (both fourholers and much of the same buttons and switches in the cockpit) Then they shipped the lucky ones off to Tolouse for training.

When it comes to ground crew, Lufthansa is a great example of how things should be done. Use mock ups and simulators.
 
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RE: How Do Airlines Prepare For A New Airplane?

Sun Feb 06, 2011 12:26 am

Boeing gives airlines a lend of their test pilots for a few months to help the new pilots with any given type if its the first of that type an airline gets, They mentioned something about it on an Air Canada DVD I have. The particulars were never mentioned i.e. Does the test pilot fly as FO or Cpt or is he/she just flying as a "check pilot"

Id be pretty sure Airbus does something similar
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RE: How Do Airlines Prepare For A New Airplane?

Sun Feb 06, 2011 1:18 am

I have no idea how the operators chose whom will be assigned to a new to the fleet aircraft type, but:

The manufacture provides as parts of the sales contract a specific amount of start up assistance.

The manufacture will train an agreed upon number of flight crews, cabin staff and maintenance personal. This is normally done at the manufacturers facilities where they maintain training departments specifically for this purpose.

The manufacture will then provide an on-site introduction team that consists of flight crew instructors, system engineers, maintenance and logistic specialists that will assist the airline personal getting the operations up and flying. This team will stay for a specific period of time. When they leave a permanently assign manufacturers representative will stay with the airline, usually for as long as the operator operates the aircraft. The on-site representative can request factory support at anytime should the need arise.

The start up training starts many months before the first aircraft is even delivered.
 
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RE: How Do Airlines Prepare For A New Airplane?

Sun Feb 06, 2011 2:33 pm

Out here its based on Seniority & similiar qualifications to the type aircraft being inducted.
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RE: How Do Airlines Prepare For A New Airplane?

Wed Feb 09, 2011 10:17 pm

What if the airline gets a smaller type...does senority still rule?
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RE: How Do Airlines Prepare For A New Airplane?

Fri Feb 11, 2011 10:59 pm

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 5):
What if the airline gets a smaller type...does senority still rule?

Generally, yes. Remember, bigger isn't always better in everybody's mind. There could be advantages to upgrading from FO on a big airplane to Captain on a smaller aircraft. Pay is one of them.
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RE: How Do Airlines Prepare For A New Airplane?

Sat Feb 12, 2011 2:12 am

I've always wondered: When an airline orders, lets say a EMB-120, and the airline operates in Sydney, how would the aircraft get from Brazil to Australia? Where would it stop?
 
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RE: How Do Airlines Prepare For A New Airplane?

Sat Feb 12, 2011 3:10 am

Quoting keagkid101 (Reply 7):
I've always wondered: When an airline orders, lets say a EMB-120, and the airline operates in Sydney, how would the aircraft get from Brazil to Australia? Where would it stop?

Up to Alaska, over to Russia and Japan, then down south to Australia through all the islands.
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RE: How Do Airlines Prepare For A New Airplane?

Sat Feb 12, 2011 3:36 am

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 8):

Up to Alaska, over to Russia and Japan, then down south to Australia through all the islands.

How many times do you think it has to stop from South America to Alaska? 5 or 6 times?
 
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RE: How Do Airlines Prepare For A New Airplane?

Sat Feb 12, 2011 3:49 am

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 5):
What if the airline gets a smaller type...does senority still rule?

In this case, "juniority" could prevail.   
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RE: How Do Airlines Prepare For A New Airplane?

Sat Feb 12, 2011 5:54 am

Quoting keagkid101 (Reply 9):
Quoting PPVRA (Reply 8):

Up to Alaska, over to Russia and Japan, then down south to Australia through all the islands.

How many times do you think it has to stop from South America to Alaska? 5 or 6 times?

The range of jets goes *way* up when you're not carrying revenue payload. You're out on the fuel-volume limited part of the payload/range curve with very low payload. An EMB120 can probably go 1500+nm in a ferry load. But it's still a lot of stops.

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