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Is This Standard Equipment

Mon Apr 18, 2011 2:31 am

As per the picture posted below, can someone identify for me the addidtion to the nose of this MD-11F?


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Is it a camera or extra sensor?

Thanks

vheca

PS I cant find anywhere that would have this info, but admittedly, I may have not looked everywhere.
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RE: Is This Standard Equipment

Mon Apr 18, 2011 2:52 am

I actually asked this question a few months ago. What you're seeing is apparently part of an anti-missile system that FedEx is installing on their planes.
 
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RE: Is This Standard Equipment

Mon Apr 18, 2011 3:04 am

Two threads last year in the Tech/Ops forum on the same subject.
What Is The Inside The Bump On The FX MD-11 Nose? (by rktsci Jun 12 2010 in Tech Ops)
FedEx MD/DC10/11 Nosecones (by 747LUVR Jan 21 2010 in Tech Ops)

Excerpt from one reply in the second thread above that seems to answer the question must precisely:

It's on all the MD-11s with the HUD/EFVS installation. It's the infrared Ehanced Flight Vision System camera. I don't think any MD-10s have it yet as only a handful of -11s have it. Most of the crews should be fully trained this year.
 
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RE: Is This Standard Equipment

Mon Apr 18, 2011 3:14 am

Nothing to do with anti-missiles. It's an EVS installation.

EVS allows descent to 100' above touchdown elevation on a CAT 1 approach with vertical guidance if the pilot flying sees the runway or approach light EVS image in the HUD. At the 100' point monitor pilot must see runway visually to continue approach.
 
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RE: Is This Standard Equipment

Mon Apr 18, 2011 3:19 am

Quoting ei a330-200 (Reply 1):
I actually asked this question a few months ago. What you're seeing is apparently part of an anti-missile system that FedEx is installing on their planes.

Thanks for the response, I had searched but could not find anything......

Is this in direct response to the attacks to the DHL service, well documented, in the Middle East?

Cheers

vheca

EDIT: Before posting response, read some newer replies and found further info....will have to have a read. to those who posted later, like I said, I did a search but probable not a big one in other forums! Apologies!
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RE: Is This Standard Equipment

Mon Apr 18, 2011 3:19 am

You can faintly see the HUD reflection in the picture so that makes sense. Is this like what Gulfstream has installed on a lot of their planes? Sounds like a pretty cool system!
 
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RE: Is This Standard Equipment

Mon Apr 18, 2011 4:41 am

Has this ever been considered for regular commercial ops? Too much weight, work etc?

Also noticed on one of the previous posts that there views inside the flight deck. These have been removed, Anyone help here too?

Again, thanks all

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RE: Is This Standard Equipment

Mon Apr 18, 2011 5:50 am

Quoting ei a330-200 (Reply 1):
I actually asked this question a few months ago. What you're seeing is apparently part of an anti-missile system that FedEx is installing on their planes.

You are a very funny person. 

Actually, it really is the anti-missile system, and not a HUD EFVS.   The whole HUD thing is just the cover story.   
 
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RE: Is This Standard Equipment

Mon Apr 18, 2011 7:48 am

Quoting vheca (Reply 4):
Is this in direct response to the attacks to the DHL service, well documented, in the Middle East?


Can you clarify your statement?
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RE: Is This Standard Equipment

Mon Apr 18, 2011 8:45 am

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 8):
Can you clarify your statement?

He's asking (while believing that the addition is an anti-missile system) whether or not this system is in response to the EAS/DHL A300 that was hit by a missile out of Bagdhad in... 2004? Maybe earlier? And returned for a safe landing with no hydraulics (landed with engine power alone.)
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RE: Is This Standard Equipment

Tue Apr 19, 2011 2:06 am

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 8):
Can you clarify your statement?

He's asking (while believing that the addition is an anti-missile system) whether or not this system is in response to the EAS/DHL A300 that was hit by a missile out of Bagdhad in... 2004? Maybe earlier? And returned for a safe landing with no hydraulics (landed with engine power alone.)


To SOBHI51

Exactly, sorry to be so vague, but I did not want to get the details of the incident wrong, so went general geographical location.

But further, would this ever be considered as options for Commercial airliners?

Cheers

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RE: Is This Standard Equipment

Tue Apr 19, 2011 2:20 am

Quoting VHECA (Reply 10):
But further, would this ever be considered as options for Commercial airliners?

They are slowly making their way into airliners. Many business jets and GA planes have had infrared cameras for several years already.
 
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RE: Is This Standard Equipment

Tue Apr 19, 2011 2:39 am

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 11):
Quoting VHECA (Reply 10):
But further, would this ever be considered as options for Commercial airliners?

They are slowly making their way into airliners. Many business jets and GA planes have had infrared cameras for several years already.



If it is proving to be a benefit to the Cargo/Freight transport industry, surely we would see a more rapid deployment in Commercial aviation? Granted there is the factor of cost!

Is there indication from the major manufacturers in including this device into their airliners? Would be interested in seeing what they have come up with.

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RE: Is This Standard Equipment

Tue Apr 19, 2011 2:56 am

Quoting VHECA (Reply 12):
Granted there is the factor of cost!

And certification. That takes a lot of time.

Quoting VHECA (Reply 12):


Is there indication from the major manufacturers in including this device into their airliners?

Not that I remember, not from A or B directly, but I do know companies like Raytheon, Honeywell, Rockwell and other avionics companies are pushing for it.

[Edited 2011-04-18 19:59:00]

[Edited 2011-04-18 19:59:10]
 
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RE: Is This Standard Equipment

Wed Apr 20, 2011 1:14 am

Quoting VHECA (Reply 12):
Granted there is the factor of cost!

Not sure about cost to an airline but the EVS installation on a bizjet adds about $500K to the price.

[Edited 2011-04-19 18:15:59]

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