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Boeing 747 Series Receives AD

Mon May 16, 2011 10:54 am

Boeing 747 Series Receives AD
The FAA on May 11 issued Airworthiness Directive (AD) FAA-2120-AA64 for Boeing Company Model 747-400, -400D, and -400F Series Airplanes, requiring certain thrust reverser control system wiring to the flap control unit (FCU).

The AD was prompted by a report of automatic retraction of the leading edge flaps due to indications transmitted to the FCU from the thrust reverser control system during takeoff. The agency has issued the AD to prevent automatic retraction of the leading edge flaps during takeoff, which could result in reduced climb performance and consequent collision with terrain and obstacles or forced landing of the airplane.

The final rule AD becomes effective June 15, 2011.
 
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Boeing 747 Series Receives AD

Mon May 16, 2011 11:03 am

As a result of the BA incident in JoBerg.
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Boeing 747 Series Receives AD

Mon May 16, 2011 12:10 pm

Quoting Chamonix (Thread starter):
The final rule AD becomes effective June 15, 2011.

Chamonix, I feel like I'm missing something here...the FAA issues several AD's per year on every type out there. What in particular are we looking at in this case?

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Boeing 747 Series Receives AD

Mon May 16, 2011 1:37 pm

Here is the link to the AD (2011-10-02):

http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Gu...5788d004d1f90/$FILE/2011-10-02.pdf

Quoting CCA (Reply 1):
As a result of the BA incident in JoBerg.

The BA aircraft envolved in the incident had RB211 engines installed (per the NTSB), the AD only calls out for aircraft that have the CF6-80C2 & PW4000 series engines.

Am I missing something? Why wouldnt the RR equipped aircraft be included in the AD?

[Edited 2011-05-16 06:37:48]
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Boeing 747 Series Receives AD

Mon May 16, 2011 1:45 pm

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 2):
Quoting Chamonix (Thread starter):
The final rule AD becomes effective June 15, 2011.

Chamonix, I feel like I'm missing something here...the FAA issues several AD's per year on every type out there. What in particular are we looking at in this case?

Also the title; "AD 744", Charmonix, can you in the future add a title that is a little less cryptic and little more descriptive?
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Boeing 747 Series Receives AD

Mon May 16, 2011 8:10 pm

Quoting B727LVR (Reply 3):
Am I missing something? Why wouldnt the RR equipped aircraft be included in the AD?

My guess is that auto-slat retract is not installed on RR equipped aircraft, but that's a guess.
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Boeing 747 Series Receives AD

Mon May 16, 2011 8:33 pm

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 5):
My guess is that auto-slat retract is not installed on RR equipped aircraft, but that's a guess.



According to the NTSB:

"British Airways Boeing 747, powered by Rolls-Royce RB211-524H2-T engines, experienced a No. 3 thrust reverser unlock light illumination during the takeoff roll from the Tambo International Airport (FAJS - formerly known as Johannesburg International Airport) while the airplane was traveling at 124 knots. The No. 2 engine thrust reverser unlock light came on at 163 knots and just prior to rotation the slats retracted. The airplane rotated and climbed at a 200 foot per minute rate."

http://www.ntsb.gov/aviationquery/br...518X75604&ntsbno=ENG09WA005&akey=1

I would think they do according to this.
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Boeing 747 Series Receives AD

Mon May 16, 2011 8:38 pm

The 747-400's with RR engines are already covered in an earlier issued AD 2009-13-09
Now the GE and PW powered 747-400's are covered in this latest AD. (not so critical, so less time pressure)

Below the exact text :

"The design for the thrust reverser signal to the FCU for the Rolls-Royce Model RB211 series engines is the same as the GE Model CF6-80C2 series engines and PW Model PW4000 series engines. Related AD 2009-13-03, Amendment 39-15942 (74 FR 31169, June 30, 2009), applies to Boeing Model 747-400 and -400F series airplanes powered by Rolls-Royce RB211 series engines, and addresses the same unsafe condition identified in this proposed AD. AD 2009-13-03 was issued as an Immediately Adopted Rule (IAR). The design of the thrust reverser uses a position sensor to indicate that the thrust reverser sleeve is unstowed (not fully stowed). This signal is used for the “REV amber signal” and also is used as an input to the flap control unit. Aerodynamic forces can cause the thrust reverser sleeve to flex which can be enough movement to cause the sensor to indicate that the sleeve is not fully stowed even though the sleeve has not moved from the stowed position.

The reason for the IAR on the Rolls-Royce RB211 series engine installation was that the sensor is sensitive to small sleeve movements. There was also service experience of small sleeve movements that triggered a “REV amber signal,” similar to the incident airplane, but were only single engine occurrences.

The sensors in the CF6-80C2 and PW4000 series engine installations are less sensitive to small sleeve movements. This is supported by service experience. In this case the risk is reduced and this allows for a less aggressive compliance time. This also allows us to proceed with issuing an NPRM to provide the public the opportunity to comment on the merits of the proposed requirements before the final rule is issued.

We have reviewed Boeing Special Attention Service Bulletin 747-78-2183, dated January 12, 2010. This service bulletin describes procedures for modifying certain thrust reverser control system wiring to the FCU in the P414 and P415 power distribution panels for airplanes equipped with GE Model CF6-80C2 series engines. The modification includes re-routing and re-terminating one wire for each engine.

We have also reviewed Boeing Alert Service Bulletin 747-78A2184, dated January 12, 2010. This service bulletin describes procedures for modifying certain thrust reverser control system wiring to the FCU in the P252 and P253 thrust reverser relay panels for airplanes equipped with PW Model PW4000 series engines. The modification includes re-routing and re-terminating one wire for each engine.

We are proposing this AD because we evaluated all relevant information and determined the unsafe condition described previously is likely to exist or develop in other products of the same type design. This proposed AD would require accomplishing the actions specified in the service information described previously."

See : http://govpulse.us/entries/2010/08/0...-and-747-400f-series-airplanes-equ
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Boeing 747 Series Receives AD

Mon May 16, 2011 8:46 pm

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 2):
Chamonix, I feel like I'm missing something here...the FAA issues several AD's per year on every type out there. What in particular are we looking at in this case?

I have to agree with Tom here. What exactly is the point of the thread, or what discussion do you want in reference to this matter, Chamonix? This is a well-known issue in 744 circles.
 
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RE: Boeing 747 Series Receives AD

Tue May 17, 2011 4:25 pm

Quoting CCA (Reply 1):
As a result of the BA incident in JoBerg.

That would be Jo'burg, or Johannesburg, or JNB.
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