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FOD Clean Up On Runways

Sun May 22, 2011 7:09 am

Does anyone know how often runways get cleaned at airports for FOD ?
 
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RE: FOD Clean Up On Runways

Sun May 22, 2011 2:32 pm

Most airports do a FOD check pretty regularly during the day, usually its an airport ops vehicle driving along the movement areas looking for objects. When I was at BWI, AirTran had an airport FOD Walk of their ramp followed by a BBQ (lots of folks came for that), and when I was in the Navy once every 6 months we would have a FOD walk of all of the movement areas, were all of the base personnel would walk along the runways and taxiways (the airfield was closed for this).
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RE: FOD Clean Up On Runways

Sun May 22, 2011 2:38 pm

At JFK, Port Authority will go down a runway with the truck looking for FOD. For our ramps, its the ground crews responsibility to FOD there gate pre and post departure. We also have cleaning crews that do that rest of the ramp. We also used to have FOD Fridays where management and people from our HQ came out and did FOD walks around the ramp. Pretty much a joke in my opinion because we of was too cold, raining or snowing on that day you didn't see them out there so why bother.
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RE: FOD Clean Up On Runways

Sun May 22, 2011 3:28 pm

I recall walking into an airport ops office once to find an attention-getting FOD wall display of items found at that airport....wish I could remember where that was.

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RE: FOD Clean Up On Runways

Sun May 22, 2011 7:16 pm

I heard last night that there a big machine like a vacum cleaner that cleans the runways from FOD and rubber pellets left behind from jet wheels is this true?
 
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RE: FOD Clean Up On Runways

Sun May 22, 2011 8:42 pm

Quoting lke2fly (Thread starter):
Does anyone know how often runways get cleaned at airports for FOD ?

A runway check is required at Part 139 airports once every 24 hours. This includes looking for lights that are out, FOD, pavement conditions and many other things. A runway isn't "cleaned" unless there is something to clean up.
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RE: FOD Clean Up On Runways

Mon May 23, 2011 9:20 pm

We do runway inspections anywhere from once a day to 5-6 times a day, it mostly depends on the traffic. Usually about 30 mins before the charters we go over the runways to make sure there is no FOD lieing around.
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RE: FOD Clean Up On Runways

Mon May 23, 2011 9:59 pm

Quoting lke2fly (Reply 4):
I heard last night that there a big machine like a vacum cleaner that cleans the runways from FOD and rubber pellets left behind from jet wheels is this true?

It's an overgrown streetsweeper...I saw one somewhere in Southern California (Ontario? San Bernardino? Sacramento?...something like that) two weeks ago.

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RE: FOD Clean Up On Runways

Tue May 24, 2011 1:07 pm

Pardon me for being pedantic, but FOD stands for Foreign Object Damage, the damage done to an engine by ingesting foreign objects. Thus the runway is the wrong place to look for FOD. It is of course the right place to look for objects which might end up causing FOD.  
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RE: FOD Clean Up On Runways

Tue May 24, 2011 2:07 pm

Quoting jetlagged (Reply 8):
Pardon me for being pedantic, but FOD stands for Foreign Object Damage, the damage done to an engine by ingesting foreign objects. Thus the runway is the wrong place to look for FOD.

Although technically correct, the word "FOD" is used extensively throughout aviation to refer to the debris itself, rather than the damage. It's a case of an acronym going beyond its original definition. It is now more properly defined as "Foreign Object Debris."

OEM's, regulators, airlines, mechanics, engineers, and pilots routinely refer to the bits they find as "FOD", you'll see it in accident reports, part teardown reports, inspection boards, etc.

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RE: FOD Clean Up On Runways

Wed May 25, 2011 3:22 pm

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 9):
Although technically correct, the word "FOD" is used extensively throughout aviation to refer to the debris itself, rather than the damage. It's a case of an acronym going beyond its original definition. It is now more properly defined as "Foreign Object Debris."

"Foreign Object Debris" is a tautology. Either "Foreign Object" OR "Debris" would be sufficient. I agree people loosely use FOD to mean the stuff that does the damage, but FOD has always meant, and still does mean, the damage itself.

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 9):
OEM's, regulators, airlines, mechanics, engineers, and pilots routinely refer to the bits they find as "FOD", you'll see it in accident reports, part teardown reports, inspection boards, etc.

None of which makes it correct. It's actually very confusing to use the same acronym, in the same connection, for two different things.

Perhaps they should call the stuff that does the damage FID (Future Ingestion Debris) 

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RE: FOD Clean Up On Runways

Wed May 25, 2011 4:12 pm

At LAX, runway FOD inspection occurs once every hour, taxiways are observed continually, while terminal ramps are managed by tenants themselves.
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RE: FOD Clean Up On Runways

Thu May 26, 2011 5:14 am

Quoting jetlagged (Reply 10):
I agree people loosely use FOD to mean the stuff that does the damage, but FOD has always meant, and still does mean, the damage itself.

Well, to be blunt, no. In modern aviation usage, FOD can mean either the debris itself and the damage caused thereby. You can tell quickly which definition is in use by the context.

I agree with you that, historically and grammatically, it should be just the damage but that's just not how the term is used today.

Quoting jetlagged (Reply 10):
Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 9):
OEM's, regulators, airlines, mechanics, engineers, and pilots routinely refer to the bits they find as "FOD", you'll see it in accident reports, part teardown reports, inspection boards, etc.

None of which makes it correct.

True in a technical sense, but not really in terms of how English works. If everyone is using the word the same way, including all the technical people who actually use the word in its proper context and sense, using a common definition then eventually we have to concede that the definition has changed. When people say "Xerox" we know they don't literally mean "make a photocopy on a Xerox-brand photocopier" even though that's the technically correct historic definition.

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RE: FOD Clean Up On Runways

Sun May 29, 2011 11:15 am

We do FOD walk downs twice a day before and after flight operations. At shore, on our ramp spaces; underway..hanger bay and flight deck.
 
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RE: FOD Clean Up On Runways

Sun May 29, 2011 11:59 pm

In ramp and airfield classes that I teach, I like to refer to FOD as foreign object debris instead of foreign object damage. If foreign object debris is dealt with correctly, you won't have to worry about foreign object damage.
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RE: FOD Clean Up On Runways

Mon May 30, 2011 12:24 am

At YYZ, most of the gates have a FOD-box where people throw garbage and whatever else they find into. I have never really seen them emptied but they usually contain a few waterbottles or random stuff. In my last job I was driving airside daily and occasionally found FOD around the aircraft. Things like hardware (from aircraft mx), empty catering trash (bottles, etc), baggage labels, etc. I just picked up whatever I could see and threw it in the truck or whatever.
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RE: FOD Clean Up On Runways

Tue May 31, 2011 6:30 am

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_object_damage

Pretty good going over of the term FOD.
 
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RE: FOD Clean Up On Runways

Tue May 31, 2011 1:16 pm

Quoting LTC8K6 (Reply 16):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_object_damage

Pretty good going over of the term FOD.

Nice work. "The "Damage" term was prevalent in military circles, but has since been pre-empted by a definition of FOD that looks at the "debris". This shift was made "official" in the latest FAA Advisory Circulars FAA A/C 150/5220-24 'Airport Foreign Object Debris (FOD) Detection Equipment' (2009) and FAA A/C 150/5210-24 'Airport Foreign Object Debris (FOD) Management'."

I did cross check the AC's to make sure wikipedia was right, and it is. Can we admit now that it actually stands for "Foreign Object Debris"? Kind of like how ETOPS just stands for "Extended Range Operations"?

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RE: FOD Clean Up On Runways

Tue May 31, 2011 1:34 pm

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 17):
Nice work. "The "Damage" term was prevalent in military circles, but has since been pre-empted by a definition of FOD that looks at the "debris". This shift was made "official" in the latest FAA Advisory Circulars FAA A/C 150/5220-24 'Airport Foreign Object Debris (FOD) Detection Equipment' (2009) and FAA A/C 150/5210-24 'Airport Foreign Object Debris (FOD) Management'."

I did cross check the AC's to make sure wikipedia was right, and it is. Can we admit now that it actually stands for "Foreign Object Debris"? Kind of like how ETOPS just stands for "Extended Range Operations"?

MD covered both definitions with their 'FOD Free' campaign as seen in this decal photo:





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RE: FOD Clean Up On Runways

Fri Jun 10, 2011 5:36 pm

At STN we do a one way FOD check @40mph every hour, then 4 or more full inspections (20 mph, each side and all entry and exit points too) in a 24 hour period. Also if we have a local standby, bird strike, VVIP flight or full emergency there is always a Fod inspection.

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