phaetonfell
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Do Airlines Schedule Flights Right At Midnight?

Mon Jul 11, 2011 4:24 pm

I realize how weird this question sounds even as I'm typing it, but there is actually a reason behind it.

Does anyone know if airlines consciously avoid scheduling arrivals or departures exactly at midnight?

we haven't found any yet, but rather than comb through AOG, I thought I'd tap the mindtrust.

thanks.

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RE: Do Airlines Schedule Flights Right At Midnight?

Mon Jul 11, 2011 4:32 pm

I've never seen a departure scheduled right at midnight. When ever we have flights delayed to around midnight, we usually forecast them departing at 0005L, so 5 minutes. It just makes it easier for everyone involved!
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RE: Do Airlines Schedule Flights Right At Midnight?

Mon Jul 11, 2011 4:34 pm

I heard that somewhere in the early 1980s Jat Yugoslav Airlines used to operate their Moscow flights at 23:59. As for today I do not know.
 
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RE: Do Airlines Schedule Flights Right At Midnight?

Mon Jul 11, 2011 4:35 pm

I don't know if it's a rule, but as a rule of thumb nobody schedules flights at 0000L or even 0000Z for that matter (hence no 0530L in India or 0800L in SIN etc).
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RE: Do Airlines Schedule Flights Right At Midnight?

Mon Jul 11, 2011 4:49 pm

It's traditionally not done to avoid confusion......some might take midnight to mean on one day/date, others could see it as the next day/date.
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Mon Jul 11, 2011 4:50 pm

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RE: Do Airlines Schedule Flights Right At Midnight?

Mon Jul 11, 2011 4:52 pm

AF used to depart JNB at just after midnight and it was pretty confusing, because the departure date was one day later than you would think. Luckily I never flew AF (and never will) but I remember once a couple of years ago that a flight was cancelled due to a strike, I had some customers on the cancelled flight (or so I thought) but it turned out that their flight was the day BEFORE and they nearly missed it due to this midnight thing.
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RE: Do Airlines Schedule Flights Right At Midnight?

Mon Jul 11, 2011 4:54 pm

Never seen one scheduled for right at midnight, but it gets really confusing on west coast- ORD flights as a lot of redeyes depart after midnight, making it quite easy to book for the wrong date.

I would hope no airline would be dumb enough to put one right at 00:00...the way that would show up in online booking engines I'd have no idea which day it actually meant.
 
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RE: Do Airlines Schedule Flights Right At Midnight?

Mon Jul 11, 2011 4:54 pm

closest i have had a flight leave to midnight is 11:55pm lax->ord

but even in other areas you dont have events at midight, for instance midnight movies are always at 12:01, 12:05... never at 12:00am
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RE: Do Airlines Schedule Flights Right At Midnight?

Mon Jul 11, 2011 4:55 pm

KL 577 used to operate out of KAN to AMS with a scheduled departure time of 23.59. Indeed I have never came across a flight scheduled to depart at 0.00. Way too confusing for passengers and airline staff alike.
 
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RE: Do Airlines Schedule Flights Right At Midnight?

Mon Jul 11, 2011 5:03 pm

I just took a look at Flightaware for JFK, it looks like nothing was scheduled exactly at midnight...but close to it:

JBU701 A320 Luis Munoz Marin Intl (TJSJ / SJU) Mon 12:19AM EDT
JBU727 A320 Rafael Hernandez (TJBQ / BQN) Mon 12:16AM EDT
EGF3831 CRJ7 Port Columbus Intl (KCMH) Mon 12:15AM EDT
SOO9815 B742 Charleston Afb/Intl (KCHS) Mon 12:07AM EDT
AEW132 B763 Boryspil Int'l (UKBB / KBP) Sun 11:58PM EDT
JBU803 A320 Gregorio Luperon Int'l (MDPP / POP) Sun 11:56PM EDT
LAN531 B763 Jorge Chavez Int'l (SPIM / LIM) Sun 11:54PM EDT
QTR84 B77W Doha Int'l (OTBD / DOH) Sun 11:52PM EDT
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RE: Do Airlines Schedule Flights Right At Midnight?

Mon Jul 11, 2011 5:06 pm

There are plenty of flights scheduled for times like 11:55p, 11:59p, and 12:05a. But I've never seen one at 12:00a.

Quoting AirNZ (Reply 4):
to avoid confusion

seems like a very convincing reason why not.
 
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RE: Do Airlines Schedule Flights Right At Midnight?

Mon Jul 11, 2011 5:33 pm

will never be done!

how many 1 day late/1 day early passengers would you like at the gate!!  
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RE: Do Airlines Schedule Flights Right At Midnight?

Mon Jul 11, 2011 5:59 pm

Tonight, FR816 Dublin to Edinburgh:

STD: 2255
STA: 0000

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RE: Do Airlines Schedule Flights Right At Midnight?

Mon Jul 11, 2011 6:06 pm

Quoting KFlyer (Reply 3):
or even 0000Z for that matter

I'm guessing lots of flights are scheduled at 0000Z-- in the public timetables anyway.

Any objection to arrivals being scheduled at exactly midnight?
 
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RE: Do Airlines Schedule Flights Right At Midnight?

Mon Jul 11, 2011 7:08 pm

Quoting skymiler (Reply 12):
how many 1 day late/1 day early passengers would you like at the gate!!

Plenty of them. We used to have a 0010 flight out of LAS and every night we would have people showing up a day late for the flight. We would still accomodate them on a standby basis because we knew there were going to be "no-shows" for the current day's flight. They finally changed the departure time to 2345 and the problem went away.
 
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RE: Do Airlines Schedule Flights Right At Midnight?

Mon Jul 11, 2011 8:53 pm

Quoting timz (Reply 14):
Any objection to arrivals being scheduled at exactly midnight?

Any confusion as to the arrival time could be cleared up by looking at the departure time. Of course, I imagine the same logic but could be applied to departures, but then again, nobody said passengers have to be smart.
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RE: Do Airlines Schedule Flights Right At Midnight?

Tue Jul 12, 2011 3:15 am

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 16):

Any confusion as to the arrival time could be cleared up by looking at the departure time. Of course, I imagine the same logic but could be applied to departures, but then again, nobody said passengers have to be smart.

Beware, logic can easily fail in situations like this. Entire 12-hour system is not very consistent.
Lets say, flight took off at 10:30AM EST and landed at 11.30AM EST. How long was the flight?
Now another flight took off at 11:30AM EST and landed at 12:30 AM EST. How long was this flight?
One may expect some similarity between these two situations...
 
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RE: Do Airlines Schedule Flights Right At Midnight?

Tue Jul 12, 2011 11:37 am

Quoting kalvado (Reply 17):
Lets say, flight took off at 10:30AM EST and landed at 11.30AM EST. How long was the flight?
Now another flight took off at 11:30AM EST and landed at 12:30 AM EST. How long was this flight?

Impossible to answer either question as you haven't given dates. The first flight is at least an hour and the second is at least 13 hours, apart from that you can't say.

Assuming the times are for a single leg then current plane limitations would make the above accurate. If it was a complete trip...

....sorry for being pedantic.

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RE: Do Airlines Schedule Flights Right At Midnight?

Tue Jul 12, 2011 3:26 pm

I flew Syrian Air from Damascus to Marseille in 2009, scheduled arrival for 23:59. So pretty close to midnight.
 
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RE: Do Airlines Schedule Flights Right At Midnight?

Tue Jul 12, 2011 5:14 pm

This seems to confirm my suspicion, that airlines tend to avoid scheduling arrivals and, more so, departures exactly at 0000 due to confusion.

Thanks all.
 
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RE: Do Airlines Schedule Flights Right At Midnight?

Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:16 am

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 11):
Quoting AirNZ (Reply 4):
to avoid confusion

seems like a very convincing reason why not.

Used to be quite common at HNL for passengers booked on flights that left just before or just after midnight (common departure times when flights stopped at HNL en route to/from SYD/AKL/NAN etc.) to get confused and show up on the wrong day for their flight, which was a bigger problem with many of those flights being less than daily. The International Date Line also added to the confusion, as a flight departing SYD on Monday but arriving HNL just before midnight would arrive on Sunday, but if the departure to the west coast after the stop was after midnight it would be Monday again, but really Tuesday if you forgot about the Date Line.
 
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RE: Do Airlines Schedule Flights Right At Midnight?

Wed Jul 13, 2011 9:39 am

Just tonight, I noticed a US flight at LAX was scheduled to depart at 11:59p to PHL. Makes sense, though. Takes the confusion away as to which date the flight is taking place on.
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