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All The Reasons A Flight Can Be Canceled

Sun Jul 24, 2011 6:53 pm

In 2008, I was sitting in the AA concourse at ORD, when I heard this guy yelling on his phone. He was yelling, "THERE' S NO REASON TO CANCEL THE FLIGHT!!!!, THERE' S NO REASON TO CANCEL THE FLIGHT !!!!" Because he was loud, I also learned he was going to Madison, Wisconsin. Not exactly a far away destination like San Francisco or Charlotte, he could have rented a car and been there in 4 hours if he REALLY had to get there. I m thinking, typical, stupid, pax.



Yeah, HE' s going to tell the airline why a flight should and should not be canceled.  


Which brings us to our thread topic: there must be a long list of reasons why a flight can be canceled or just even delayed. AFAIK, airlines don t like to cancel because it reaks havoc on positioning of planes and crews.

So, what are some of those reasons?......I mean stuff that an ordinary pax would not even think of.   
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RE: All The Reasons A Flight Can Be Canceled

Sun Jul 24, 2011 7:20 pm

My most common experiences of late have not been mechanical. The ones that stick in my craw are flying mainline to a hub, arriving early evening, having the outbound commuter aircraft get later and later on the sign board, then eventually cancelled because the plane was late and the crew to fly it went out of time for the day. And, this is from having sat in a gate area on a lower level of a nice terminal in a dark, loud, smelly, dank cramped room with many gates and counter folks who were never taught how to speak in calm and clear voices.

So, to reply to your post:

1) mechanical

2) crew out of time

Good post question, BTW. There should be some interesting stories out there.
 
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RE: All The Reasons A Flight Can Be Canceled

Sun Jul 24, 2011 7:51 pm

There are many reasons.....
The most prominent would be Technical.Apart from Crew FDTL,Not enough Pax to consider the Flight Economically viable [
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RE: All The Reasons A Flight Can Be Canceled

Sun Jul 24, 2011 8:07 pm

Hopefully this isn't a very common reason for flight cancellation, but obviously it happens from time to time.

Back a long time ago, when I was a travel agent and paper tickets existed, when we completed a refund form we had to put down the reason for requesting a refund. I had a customer who had just come back from a trip to central and western Africa, he wanted to refund an unused ticket. I was filling out the form and asked him the reason for wanting a refund.
He advised me that his flight from A to B was cancelled because the inbound aircraft from B to A had crashed killing all on board. It seemed to me a valid reason both for cancellation of the flight and for seeking a refund.
 
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RE: All The Reasons A Flight Can Be Canceled

Sun Jul 24, 2011 8:53 pm

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 3):
He advised me that his flight from A to B was cancelled because the inbound aircraft from B to A had crashed killing all on board. It seemed to me a valid reason both for cancellation of the flight and for seeking a refund.

Actually I suspect lack of aircraft is a fairly common reason to cancel a flight.
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RE: All The Reasons A Flight Can Be Canceled

Sun Jul 24, 2011 10:10 pm

True story: We had a MD-90 take a mechanical, the night flight from SLC is on another MD-90. There is only one MD-88/90 RON every night. The broken plane could not get fixed so in the inbound flight was cancelled because we could not handle any extra planes
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RE: All The Reasons A Flight Can Be Canceled

Mon Jul 25, 2011 1:26 pm

"Operational Issue" USAirways flight last week. A man's wife (who happened to be a pilot himself) was supposed to give a big speech in PHL, but when his wife's flight left the gate, sat on the ground for three hours, then came back cancelled, he was livid. But, he was due for a BFR, she absolutely had to be in PHL the next morning, and asked me, as a CFI, to come along with him as he dropped his wife off in PHL himself, and we did the flight portion of the BFR on both legs.
 
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RE: All The Reasons A Flight Can Be Canceled

Mon Jul 25, 2011 1:47 pm

Quoting Northwest727 (Reply 6):
A man's wife (who happened to be a pilot himself)

Perhaps (injecting a bit of humour into our politically correct world.. and in particular, the USA with its new liberal laws), you meant:

A man's (who happened to be a pilot himself) wife ...

The meaning of the original sentence was a bit odd when you read it twice..  

I'm seriously not picking on the grammar, the 2nd instance is probably what the poster meant and may serve the purpose. I understand the vagaries of the English language - there are too many ways to write the same thing.
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RE: All The Reasons A Flight Can Be Canceled

Mon Jul 25, 2011 4:40 pm

I would say the three main reasons flight are cancelled...

1) Crew Duty Time Expires
2) Aircraft Unserviceable
3) Weather Related Problems
4) Lack of Aircraft.


Each reason could be broken down into a million of smaller reasons of course.

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RE: All The Reasons A Flight Can Be Canceled

Mon Jul 25, 2011 6:18 pm

Exceeding an airport curfew due to a number of the above issues.

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RE: All The Reasons A Flight Can Be Canceled

Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:23 pm

My least favorite is the 'cancelled due to weather' when in fact it is cancelled 'due to dumb scheduling of routes and aircraft'. In Canada, AC and WS both manage to try to 'optimise' and maximise the usage by routing a/c all over the country. I really wonder if it is worth it in the winter, since there are enough days where for sure it is going to be impossible for one plane to make it from Halifax to Toronto to Montreal to Calgary to Winnepg to Vancouver, then red eye back to the east.
Be real people! It's Canada, and in winter, on some arbitrarily large number of days, at least one of those locations is going to be closed or seriously behind schedule due to the weather. So, why tempt fate, and then try to tell me it's not their fault that the flight is cancelled for weather in Halifax, when I am trying to get from Calgary to Winnepeg on a glorious blue sky day in the prairies! It would be more reliable to have more 'out and back' or at least keep the flight in the same region so that the weather excuse is at least reasonable.

Answering myself, I guess it is worth it, becasue they get away with the 'weather' excuse and just offer to rebook or refund, instead of actually having to get me where I wanted to go some other way.
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RE: All The Reasons A Flight Can Be Canceled

Tue Jul 26, 2011 6:14 am

Well, if you want the strange and unusual reasons:

1. Bird entered aircraft in city A. Found it's way into the flight deck while on final to city B. After arrival (and a go-around), we never found the bird. The crew refused the aircraft.
2. Crew refused an aircraft because the autopilot was INOP. (I understand the pain this can be as a pilot, but try explaining it to the passengers in the gatehouse)
3. Crew exhausted duty time because ATC forgot they were in the penalty box awaiting an update on a groundstop.
4. Captain and F/O got into an argument regarding politics on the way to the airport. Captain deemed the F/O "unfit to fly".
5. Aircraft arrives missing a galley cart. Catering forgot to load it in previous city, F/A never noticed because the ride was too rough to serve drinks.
6. One of our regional operators forgot they were operating a flight. The passengers were already checked in when we called the carrier to find out where the aircraft was coming from. They didn't know what we were talking about.

I have many more, but can't seem to think of them at the moment.
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RE: All The Reasons A Flight Can Be Canceled

Tue Jul 26, 2011 7:10 am

Didn't lead to cancellation, but a 4 hour delay...
Airline planning department forgot to schedule an aircraft for the flight and on the day I was flying there were 150 pax and some gate agents at the departure gate but no aircrew or aircraft.
Took them 4 hours to rent an aircraft from a charter company and fly it in.

Not going to name the airline to protect the innocent, but I've had that happen twice with that same company in 10 legs I've flown with them (though the other time it was at their home base and they had an aircraft there they could get to the gate in about 20 minutes, in that case they'd forgotten the aircraft but had assigned a flight crew, who were as surprised as everyone when they showed up at the gate and found no aircraft, fuel bowsers, catering trucks, or luggage loaders.
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RE: All The Reasons A Flight Can Be Canceled

Wed Jul 27, 2011 6:38 pm

Quoting rduoodl (Reply 11):
Captain and F/O got into an argument regarding politics on the way to the airport. Captain deemed the F/O "unfit to fly".

Wonder how the P1 decided on that  
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