richiemo
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US Airways Routing Question

Thu Jul 28, 2011 7:09 pm

I flew PHL to CLT yesterday. I noted 320s and 319s at both airports with IAVE engines. These, therefore, are legacy America West planes. If you see one of these in CLT or PHL, does that mean it has to be arriving from/departing to PHX? Or is Cactus using legacy Amer West planes on routes in and out of PHL and CLT. My understanding was that the legacy Amer West planes would stay hubbed in PHX and legacy US Air hubbed in PHL. I realize that even if that were still the case it's not as cut and dry as that. But have the two airlines really merged operationally?
 
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RE: US Airways Routing Question

Thu Jul 28, 2011 7:18 pm

The planes don't always go just into or out of the hubs. For example a 'west' plane may go PHX - PHL - SEA - LAS - PHL, and so on. It would be flown by west crews, but obviously with the PHL - SEA segment in there, they don't always fly just the old west routes.

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RE: US Airways Routing Question

Thu Jul 28, 2011 7:22 pm

The legacy HP planes are all PHX-based, while the legacy US planes are all East Coast-based.

That being said, West crews will have some flights around the East and vice-versa. Out of PHX, I've seen East planes to LAS/LAX/SFO/STL/SAN and a few others in addition to the PHL/CLT flights.

Think there's a West plane/crew on at least one PHL-ORD, SMF-PHL, etc.
 
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RE: US Airways Routing Question

Thu Jul 28, 2011 8:13 pm

They are all over the place because now the network is concentrated in the east, and they need the planes.
 
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RE: US Airways Routing Question

Thu Jul 28, 2011 8:29 pm

Quoting thegman (Reply 3):
They are all over the place because now the network is concentrated in the east, and they need the planes.

Probably the most notable example of an "East" aircraft flying a "West" route is the East metal 757 that flies to Hawaii (OGG I think) at certain times of the year. This flight is not currently on the schedule but it has been off and on after schedule changes.

Quoting richiemo (Thread starter):
I flew PHL to CLT yesterday. I noted 320s and 319s at both airports with IAVE engines. These, therefore, are legacy America West planes.

One thing to keep in mind is that this will not be true in relatively short order. It is my understanding that future A321 deliveries for the East operation will be equipped with the V2500 engine as opposed to the CFM. As I just noted, that is my understanding but I cant remember where I heard it  

I would not be shocked to see all future Airbus NB deliveries arrive with the V2500 engine unless there has already been a CFM engine commitment for the particular frame. I would expect new orders and options to arrive with the V's.
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RE: US Airways Routing Question

Thu Jul 28, 2011 8:36 pm

Any flight number less than 700 is operated by a West crew/plane. From CLT/PHL, they primarily operate to the West Coast.

For example, from CLT,

Flight 391 CLT-LAS
Flight 399 CLT-LAS
Flight 307 CLT-LAS
Flight 503 CLT-PDX
Flight 377 CLT-SMF
Flight 108 CLT-ORD
Flight 110 CLT-ORD
Flight 121 CLT-ORD
Flight 58 CLT-MSP
Flight 487 CLT-DEN
Flight 497 CLT-DEN
Flight 537 CLT-SEA
Flight 162 CLT-SAN
Flight 198 CLT-SAN
Flight 373 CLT-DFW
Flight 301 CLT-PHX
Flight 309 CLT-PHX
Flight 64 CLT-BOS
Flight 680 CLT-EWR
Flight 374 CLT-JFK
Flight 29 CLT-ATL
E135/E140/E145/E70/E75/E90/CR2/CR7/CR9/717/732/733/734/735/73G/738/739/752/753/762/772/77W/319/320/321/333/343
 
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RE: US Airways Routing Question

Thu Jul 28, 2011 8:44 pm

Two points, the first being that west crews and planes fly segments such as PHL-LAS/ORD/PDX/PHX/PIT/SAN/SEA/SFO/SMF and CLT-ATL/BOS/DFW/EWR/JFK/LAS/MSP/ORD/PDX/PHX/SAN/SEA/SMF, so you'll see a lot of them in those two east hubs.

The second is that there are east planes being delivered with IAE engines - 536UW thru 540UW currently, and two upcoming deliveries, 543UW and 554UW. So you'll start to see a lot more IAE birds on the east.
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