|Quoting 747400sp (Thread starter):|
Now L1011, DC10 and A300 was design to fly from smaller like LGA, yet they are almost as big of dogs as a 747, so why are the smaller first gen wide such dogs?
|Quoting 474218 (Reply 4):|
If you think the L-1011, DC-10 and A300 are dogs I must assume that you have never flown on a A340-200?
|Quoting exFWAOONW (Reply 7):|
If you're an airline, you don't want a two-seat, 600HP twin-turbo Ferrari that screams down the runway into the hanger to see the mechanic, you want a van or pick-up truck that will carry enough load to make you money with a smaller engine as will do the job efficiently and cheaply.
|Quoting exFWAOONW (Reply 7):|
|Quoting B777LRF (Reply 11):|
I can only speak for the A300, and she's very far indeed from being a dog. With 2 x 50K dangling under the wings she can do the rocket trick, if asked to do so. Tthe A300 has a pretty advanced wing, allowing a no-flap slats only take-off under certain conditions. Obviously that will extend take-off roll, but airliners are not in the business of putting on a show for the sportters
|Quoting andz (Reply 6):|
A300 in 1976 was far less of a dog out of JNB than the 340 is today.
|Quoting bonusonus (Reply 12):|
I've seen A300s do some very short takeoffs (go watch some FX ops... if the plane isn't fully loaded those guys go up fast.
|Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 13):|
Minimum takeoff runway lengths are increasing from what they were in the 60s when the DC10 and L1011 were designed. There isn't hardly an airport in the world that warrants widebody service and has a runway shorter than 9,000 ft.
|Quoting 474218 (Reply 16):|
Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 15):
Quite. Both triplets were designed to handle LGA. This skewed their design quite a
Only in their original configuration. The weight increases of follow-on models made them too heavy for LGA .
|Quoting dc863 (Reply 10):|
None of these aircraft are dogs except for one; DC-10-40's operated by Northwest Orient. A former Captain told me the P/W power plants were a bit underpowered. The -40s flown by JAL were fine because it's engines were rated for higher thrust.
|Quoting exFWAOONW (Reply 18):|
NWs DC10-40s were flying some long stage lengths, too, save fuel on take-off in case the weather at your destination changes in the hours it takes to get there.
Not all DC10s were that way. I was on a UA DC10 (a -10 I'm assuming) on a CLE-TPA flight that was lightly populated. Halfway down the runway the pilot set it on its tail and I could barely lift my head off the seatback until we leveled off a few minutes later.
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