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AN124 Crew Duty Hours

Fri Sep 02, 2011 8:33 pm

Just wondering what is the maximun amount of crew duty time allowed for crews that operate these US Military charters?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...6/history/20110902/1200Z/KCOF/KIAD

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...6/history/20110902/1630Z/KIAD/EDDP

Looking at these flights the crew would have showed up at KCOF at approx 1100z.
The aircraft is estimating EDDP at approx 0348z.
Thats gives a duty day of just under 17 hours.

It would be highly unlikely that there was a crew change in KIAD, so that leaves operating under a dual flight crew.

A few years ago a MK Airlines B747 crashed in CYHZ as a result of crew fatigue while operating a dual crew
on a ELLX-KBDL-CYHZ-LEZG flight. How much true rest can be obtained while this aircraft is in operation?

Is doing an approach and landing into EDDP safe after being on duty for 17hours?

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RE: AN124 Crew Duty Hours

Fri Sep 02, 2011 8:50 pm

I recently went onto an Antonov 124 at BZZ (I loaded the damn thing) and upstairs there is plenty of living accommodation for the crew for long trips - you'd be surprised, that plane is freaking huge when you are inside - especially upstairs.

I'd imagine it would be rather easy to "rest" while in flight (the crew not flying).
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RE: AN124 Crew Duty Hours

Fri Sep 02, 2011 8:53 pm

Do the crew operate under different rules if it is a US military charter? I know that 2-person crews routinely fly nonstop sorties in the B2 from Missouri to Afghanistan and back. For pilots on these missions, the answer to the fatigue issue is drugs... a lot of drugs.
 
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RE: AN124 Crew Duty Hours

Fri Sep 02, 2011 9:04 pm

Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 1):

I have been on many AN124's in the past while I worked in YQX.
I know its big, and there are crew bunks right behind the cockpit and also in the aft upstairs.

But really, other than getting a cat nap here and there if there was an accident the first thing the
authorities would look at would be crew fatigue.

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RE: AN124 Crew Duty Hours

Fri Sep 02, 2011 9:06 pm

Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 1):


I'd imagine it would be rather easy to "rest" while in flight (the crew not flying).

"Resting" and "sleeping" are two different things. It might be a large cabin area, but that alone does not mean it is always conductive to sleeping. Especially when considering time zone/circadian issues, constant noise, turbulence, other crew members moving about, etc.
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RE: AN124 Crew Duty Hours

Fri Sep 02, 2011 9:14 pm

Quoting jetset (Thread starter):

Is doing an approach and landing into EDDP safe after being on duty for 17hours?

Happens all the time. I did a trip last month with a four man crew that had a 22:30 duty day due to a weather deviation enroute and loading delays before that. We did LUX-RUH-DMM-HKG. It was a long day to say the least and shouldn't be done on a regular basis.
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RE: AN124 Crew Duty Hours

Fri Sep 02, 2011 10:31 pm

Quoting bonusonus (Reply 2):
I know that 2-person crews routinely fly nonstop sorties in the B2 from Missouri to Afghanistan and back. For pilots on these missions, the answer to the fatigue issue is drugs... a lot of drugs.

I've always wondered how they deal with going no 1 on these sorts of flights?
 
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RE: AN124 Crew Duty Hours

Sat Sep 03, 2011 8:44 am

Quoting thegeek (Reply 6):
I've always wondered how they deal with going no 1 on these sorts of flights?

Google "Piddle Packs" -- essentially a plastic bag filled with chemical sponge that turns into a gel like substance when mixed with urine.

There are also more complex systems including underwear equipped with relief tube, and even pump mechanism.
But some pilots simply opt to wear diapers (as astronauts do).
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RE: AN124 Crew Duty Hours

Sat Sep 03, 2011 10:36 pm

Quoting bonusonus (Reply 2):
. For pilots on these missions, the answer to the fatigue issue is drugs... a lot of drugs.

Why not more safer Caffine drinks or Coffee.
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RE: AN124 Crew Duty Hours

Sun Sep 04, 2011 3:21 am

Are the rumors about the AN124 crew rests reeking of body odor and dirty bodies true? I heard the crews pretty much can live on the plane for weeks at a time during long missions or periods aware from base?
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RE: AN124 Crew Duty Hours

Sun Sep 04, 2011 1:27 pm

We had a AN-124 on an AMC Charter pass by and it has 2 full Crews so the Plane just kept going...one crew flew while the other was resting upstairs
 
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RE: AN124 Crew Duty Hours

Sun Sep 04, 2011 1:38 pm

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 8):
Why not more safer Caffine drinks or Coffee.

Taking a leak every 5 minutes doesn't really help things  
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RE: AN124 Crew Duty Hours

Sun Sep 04, 2011 4:18 pm

Quoting thegeek (Reply 6):

I've always wondered how they deal with going no 1 on these sorts of flights?

I have a read a book about the B-2... If I can remember correctly, there is sleeping space, and a strap-in Port-a-Potty for long trips.
Maybe somebody can confirm this?

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RE: AN124 Crew Duty Hours

Sun Sep 04, 2011 7:52 pm

Quoting JRadier (Reply 11):

Taking a leak every 5 minutes doesn't really help things

Would coffee induce a leak every 5 minutes.....I think not.....also most Aircraft have built in toilets.......  
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