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The Most Boring Time For The Pilots

Mon Oct 03, 2011 6:05 am

Hi everyone,

I know that a cockpit is the best office in the world   But I also wonder which is the most boring time for a pilot during a flight? (waiting at the gate for a take off clearence, waiting for an empty gate after landing, long take off sequenes, etc.)

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RE: The Most Boring Time For The Pilots

Mon Oct 03, 2011 6:12 am

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RE: The Most Boring Time For The Pilots

Mon Oct 03, 2011 6:13 am

The most boring time for an airline pilot? That's easy - the same (year after year, decade after decade) recurrent ground school!
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RE: The Most Boring Time For The Pilots

Mon Oct 03, 2011 11:53 am

Ernest Gann described a pilot's job as "hours and hours of boredom punctuated by moments of sheer terror." And that was in the 40's, much of it during a war, and when automation was primitive compared to today's. It also did not feature 14 hour flights. Also, considering the comparative safety records of then vs. today, I suspect that the moments of sheer terror are far less frequent.
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RE: The Most Boring Time For The Pilots

Mon Oct 03, 2011 12:19 pm

Long solo cross country flights across rural Illinois....
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RE: The Most Boring Time For The Pilots

Mon Oct 03, 2011 12:39 pm

LAX-SYD about 6hrs after takeoff. Only 9 more to go. CPDLC. No radio work. Dark with nothing to look at. That's boring. Domestically, I'd say a 4 1/2 hr sit between flights in any airport is tough.
 
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RE: The Most Boring Time For The Pilots

Mon Oct 03, 2011 1:51 pm

Quoting MD88Captain (Reply 5):
LAX-SYD about 6hrs after takeoff. Only 9 more to go. CPDLC. No radio work. Dark with nothing to look at. That's boring.

True. Although the star-gazing under those conditions is absolutely magnificent.

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RE: The Most Boring Time For The Pilots

Mon Oct 03, 2011 1:55 pm

Depends what type of pilot you are. I think waiting for a call (medivac) while trying to kill time in a crew house, somewhere in the Canadian Arctic, with -50C temperatures outside. That's the most boring part in my opinion.
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RE: The Most Boring Time For The Pilots

Mon Oct 03, 2011 2:07 pm

Vio, I feel your pain. Caddyshack is only funny for the first 100 viewings.
 
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RE: The Most Boring Time For The Pilots

Mon Oct 03, 2011 2:10 pm

Quoting MD88Captain (Reply 8):
Caddyshack is only funny for the first 100 viewings.

   LOL!!! How true!
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RE: The Most Boring Time For The Pilots

Mon Oct 03, 2011 6:46 pm

Quoting vio (Reply 7):
Depends what type of pilot you are. I think waiting for a call (medivac) while trying to kill time in a crew house, somewhere in the Canadian Arctic, with -50C temperatures outside. That's the most boring part in my opinion.

Unless you have a single attractive female pilot to keep you warm  I think Vio is not telling us the whole story here.   
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RE: The Most Boring Time For The Pilots

Mon Oct 03, 2011 7:10 pm

Filling out nav logs in the middle-of-nowhere North Dakota.
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RE: The Most Boring Time For The Pilots

Mon Oct 03, 2011 7:26 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 10):
Unless you have a single attractive female pilot to keep you warm  I think Vio is not telling us the whole story here.   

Well, what happens in the North stays in the North...   However wishful that may be, I assure you it's almost as rare as seeing an arctic fox  

Ah, here's another boring thing... waiting at the airport (when off rotation) to get onto a (stby) flight... that's always fun. "Go or no go?"
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RE: The Most Boring Time For The Pilots

Mon Oct 03, 2011 8:00 pm

Flying across Iowa with a 35kt headwind..... in a C-172!!! Spending your time coutning how many cars are passing you below, OR, how many cops/speed traps you can see.
 
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RE: The Most Boring Time For The Pilots

Mon Oct 03, 2011 8:17 pm

Quoting SEPilot (Reply 3):
It also did not feature 14 hour flights.

Actually Trans-Atlantic flights in the 40's were 20hrs+. i.e. PanAm Clippers.
 
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RE: The Most Boring Time For The Pilots

Mon Oct 03, 2011 8:35 pm

Most boring time while I was a business airline pilot: 7 hours spent on ground in Wroclaw, Poland, during winter, with -10°C, waiting for a dude having an appointment there. When you spend all this time in a Citation Jet with no APU and nothing but some good old Jeppesen paperwork to do... Yeah your pilot job can be boooooooooring!
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RE: The Most Boring Time For The Pilots

Mon Oct 03, 2011 8:35 pm

Quoting 777ord (Reply 13):
Flying across Iowa with a 35kt headwind..... in a C-172!!! Spending your time coutning how many cars are passing you below, OR, how many cops/speed traps you can see.

Actually I've done BZE-RTB with a 35kt headwind in a GA8 (even slower than a 172) with a luggage pod. I swear the cruise ship below overtook us.
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RE: The Most Boring Time For The Pilots

Mon Oct 03, 2011 8:39 pm

Quoting MD88Captain (Reply 5):
Domestically, I'd say a 4 1/2 hr sit between flights in any airport is tough.

Some of the most bored pilots I've ever met were sitting around the gate waiting for the inbound flight to come in after a 3 hour snow delay so they could do the transcon turn in the middle of the night. No crew lounge, just the Starbucks down terminal, about to close and being harassed by irritated passengers.

Quoting vio (Reply 7):
I think waiting for a call (medivac) while trying to kill time in a crew house, somewhere in the Canadian Arctic, with -50C temperatures outside. That's the most boring part in my opinion.

True, but not limited to medivac pilots. I'd bet many a poor charter pilot has spent time in a small airport in Nebraska, Saskatchewan or North Dakota without a reasonable FBO well away from town with no crew car. The iPad and downloadable movies might be the best thing that ever happened to the low time charter pilot.

Quoting MD88Captain (Reply 8):
Caddyshack is only funny for the first 100 viewings.

In the entire 7 years I worked at an FBO, the movie collection in our crew lounge never changed. I'm convinced we had pilots that had seen Ghostbusters at least 50 times. I had some of them stuck for the whole day ride around with me on a fuel truck or tug to pass the time.
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RE: The Most Boring Time For The Pilots

Mon Oct 03, 2011 9:10 pm

Quoting web500sjc (Reply 4):
Long solo cross country flights across rural Illinois....

Never!

It's the 4:35 sits we have in LaGuardia and Pittsburgh that kill me.
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RE: The Most Boring Time For The Pilots

Mon Oct 03, 2011 9:34 pm

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 17):
The iPad and downloadable movies might be the best thing that ever happened to the low time charter pilot.

Amen! Words of wisdom. Every single pilot at our company has an iPad and or iPhone. I guess there are things called "books", but I don't know how many of us like that... after all, that's why we became pilots  

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RE: The Most Boring Time For The Pilots

Mon Oct 03, 2011 9:47 pm

Quoting vio (Reply 19):
Every single pilot at our company has an iPad and or iPhone. I guess there are things called "books", but I don't know how many of us like that... after all, that's why we became pilots

An iPad is thinner than a book, which counts for a lot in a crowded flight bag.

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RE: The Most Boring Time For The Pilots

Mon Oct 03, 2011 11:02 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 16):
in a GA8

Is that the one with the heated trailing edges in case a cold front overtakes you?

Quoting flyhossd (Reply 2):
recurrent ground school

I will agree with this one.

Otherwise for me it is some point between the halfway mark and the 2 hours out point. You have exhausted most topics of conversation, you are getting tired, but the thought of any more coffee at this point makes you start to twitch. That is the worst time for me.
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RE: The Most Boring Time For The Pilots

Mon Oct 03, 2011 11:54 pm

Quoting SEPilot (Reply 3):
And that was in the 40's, much of it during a war, and when automation was primitive compared to today's. It also did not feature 14 hour flights.

Actually it did. Plenty of flights were that long, both civil and military.

Quoting airproxx (Reply 15):
Most boring time while I was a business airline pilot: 7 hours spent on ground in Wroclaw, Poland, during winter, with -10°C, waiting for a dude having an appointment there. When you spend all this time in a Citation Jet with no APU and nothing but some good old Jeppesen paperwork to do... Yeah your pilot job can be boooooooooring!

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RE: The Most Boring Time For The Pilots

Mon Oct 03, 2011 11:55 pm

As they say, flying is tons of hours of shear boredom with occasional seconds of shear terror 

So far as a CFI I won't say it never gets boring, it definitely keeps you on your toes. That being said, Texas is too damned flat, I liked flying in the mountains. And it's never bumpy out here, or windy. And all I ever see outside the DFW area where I fly out of is thousands of natural gas wells and the occasional cow. So even a short XC between DFW and OKC gets boring real fast.
 
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RE: The Most Boring Time For The Pilots

Tue Oct 04, 2011 4:45 pm

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 23):
And it's never bumpy out here, or windy.

Funny. I hope you're joking. It's usually windy and bumpy when I fly to Texas. Just bad luck I guess.

I'm usually bored after the first hour and before the last hour unless I'm eating. Crosswords are a good distractor.
 
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RE: The Most Boring Time For The Pilots

Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:14 am

so I guess this is a topic change, what do you do to pass the time?

I count cornfields, but i'm hoping to figure out something else to do.
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RE: The Most Boring Time For The Pilots

Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:38 am

Quoting 26point2 (Reply 24):
I hope you're joking. It's usually windy and bumpy when I fly to Texas.

No way nearly as bad as in northern AZ so far. For once since I've been here its actually been bumpy and somewhat windy these last few days.
 
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RE: The Most Boring Time For The Pilots

Sat Oct 15, 2011 4:56 pm

Cruise flight can be the most interesting or the most boring part of the flight. It depends on the rest of the crew. Some people are just harder to talk to than others and that makes even the shortest flight long.
 
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RE: The Most Boring Time For The Pilots

Sat Oct 15, 2011 7:32 pm

Quoting SEPilot (Reply 3):
It also did not feature 14 hour flights.

Actually some WW2 maritime patrol aircraft like the PBY Catalina were capable of doing flights of up to 20 hours, albeit at low speed, like when searching the sea for U-boats.

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RE: The Most Boring Time For The Pilots

Sat Oct 15, 2011 9:16 pm

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 28):
Actually some WW2 maritime patrol aircraft like the PBY Catalina were capable of doing flights of up to 20 hours, albeit at low speed, like when searching the sea for U-boats.

When Lufthansa was testing the FW 200 Condor in 1938 they flew it non-stop from Berlin-Staaken to Floyd Bennett Field in New York City 24 hours, 56 minutes and 12 seconds. No passengers, but that had to be pretty boring at some point. Both the initial and return flight by the way were non-stop and both set records.

On maritime convoy patrol the FW 200 was routinely out over 10 hours. And, as you say the PBY went out on very long patrols as well, around half of the center wing was a fuel tank it could stay airborne for a long time.

Quoting web500sjc (Reply 25):
I count cornfields, but i'm hoping to figure out something else to do.

During the summer when I wasn't in college I used to fly along right seat on a lot of charter/cargo flights. We had a 172RG with long range tanks we used to fly between an airport in mid-Missouri and Michigan in the middle of the night. I used to try and identify cities by the glow in the night, look for police lights, etc. Punch the pilot in the arm to keep him awake at 3AM, try to pick up AM radio stations on the ADF.
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RE: The Most Boring Time For The Pilots

Fri Oct 21, 2011 8:12 pm

Quoting airproxx (Reply 15):
Quoting airproxx (Reply 15):
Most boring time while I was a business airline pilot: 7 hours spent on ground in Wroclaw, Poland, during winter, with -10°C, waiting for a dude having an appointment there. When you spend all this time in a Citation Jet with no APU and nothing but some good old Jeppesen paperwork to do... Yeah your pilot job can be boooooooooring!


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