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Pick Up Truck Emergency Landing

Tue Oct 04, 2011 3:58 am

Ok watch this first;
(Plane lands on pickup truck)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzyJLtJjfqE

Now lets pick it to pieces.

Ok # 1, the spoilers are deployed before touchdown
# 2, there shouldn't be any tyre smoke when the nosewheel hits the truck bed
# 3, the truck rear suspension doesn't dip on touchdown (as if taking the load)
# 4, the real top speed of the truck is probably lower than the landing speed of the jet; 120-130mph?
# 5, the weight on the nosewheel of the plane is probably more than the payload of the truck?
# 6, rollout is too short.
# 7, camera incorrectly cuts from runway straight to taxiway at the end.

But apart from those minor technical admonitions, who thinks this is actually possible? Remind me of the footage of the Cessna which had help from a speeding vehicle on the runway to lock down its gear, and also of the diabolical 'flight 405' viral vid.
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RE: Pick Up Truck Emergency Landing

Tue Oct 04, 2011 5:48 am

Quoting Wingscrubber (Thread starter):
who thinks this is actually possible?

No one does. Not even Nissan. Or no one ought to. The ad is clearly tongue-in-cheek. Of course, since some viewers will be stupid, the Nissan lawyers insisted on an explicit ‘Fictionalization. Do not attempt.’ disclaimer.
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RE: Pick Up Truck Emergency Landing

Tue Oct 04, 2011 7:04 am

Oh come on, WestWing, of course no one thinks this is actually possible, but let's have some fun, as the OP suggested! My take:

#1: Yeah, bad idea. *COULD HAVE* slammed the nose gear into the flatbed.... but that will bring us later to #6....
#2: No, there most definitely would have been tire smoke. The plane was equipped with those a.nut spin-up devices to save tread.
#3: Totally plausible. The pilot set it down easy. There was still enough lift.
#4: Nah, Nissan was smart enough to remove the speed governor.
#5: Yeah, probably.
#6: But see, now you bring it full circle: THAT'S why they deployed the spoilers!
#7: OK, but you know, Hollywood and all... and now I'm sounding like a moron.

So even thought this LOOKS like CGI.... who knows?
 
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RE: Pick Up Truck Emergency Landing

Tue Oct 04, 2011 7:07 am

Quoting Wingscrubber (Thread starter):
Now lets pick it to pieces.

Why would anyone waste any time in doing so? Several years ago, there was a Toyota truck commercial where a truck is directly hit by a comet is hurtling towards the earth:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTlB-J8Ff5o
Would anyone dissect the facts of a comet hitting the earth?
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RE: Pick Up Truck Emergency Landing

Tue Oct 04, 2011 3:37 pm

On a side note, they filmed the scenes at ONT. That 727 is always up to something it seems.
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RE: Pick Up Truck Emergency Landing

Tue Oct 04, 2011 3:41 pm

Quoting Wingscrubber (Thread starter):
7, camera incorrectly cuts from runway straight to taxiway at the end.

No if you look the pilot did a Delta- he or she landed on a Taxiway.
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RE: Pick Up Truck Emergency Landing

Tue Oct 04, 2011 7:22 pm

In December of 1983, a JAL 747 landed on a pickup truck while landing in foggy conditions at Anchorage International Airport. The left main landing gear settled into the back of the pickup and destroyed it. The driver was severely injured. Ripped a 30 foot gash in the side of the plane. If I remember correctly, the 747 lost at least two tires and a portion of the strut assembly.

[Edited 2011-10-04 12:23:09]

[Edited 2011-10-04 12:23:39]
 
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RE: Pick Up Truck Emergency Landing

Tue Oct 04, 2011 8:05 pm

Quoting WestWing (Reply 1):
No one does. Not even Nissan. Or no one ought to. The ad is clearly tongue-in-cheek. Of course, since some viewers will be stupid, the Nissan lawyers insisted on an explicit ‘Fictionalization. Do not attempt.’ disclaimer.

Which begs the question... what pilot rated for a 727 would attempt that?

and what have they done the nose of that plane?
 
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RE: Pick Up Truck Emergency Landing

Tue Oct 04, 2011 10:38 pm

Quoting Wingscrubber (Thread starter):
120-130mph?

Most cars these days can hit 120mph without much of a problem.

Quoting jetjack74 (Reply 3):
Why would anyone waste any time in doing so? Several years ago, there was a Toyota truck commercial where a truck is directly hit by a comet is hurtling towards the earth:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTlB-J8Ff5o
Would anyone dissect the facts of a comet hitting the earth?

Well that was a meteor not a comet. But come on this is just for fun  If this was astronomers.net maybe they would.

Quoting web500sjc (Reply 5):
No if you look the pilot did a Delta- he or she landed on a Taxiway.

Thats what is looks like
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RE: Pick Up Truck Emergency Landing

Tue Oct 04, 2011 10:56 pm

I'd like to see the real results of a 120,000lb aircraft landing on a half-ton truck. Just like the damage to the front end of the same truck after it rams into a dune buggy from behind like it does in the other "dramatization".
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RE: Pick Up Truck Emergency Landing

Tue Oct 04, 2011 11:35 pm

This topic almost begs for it...

Here it goes... http://youtu.be/tKg5-asGRHY

Okay, not exactly a pickup, but a Jeep Grand Cherokee is built on a truck chassis...

And I have seen video of mechanics in pickups and Jeeps going down the runway top speed next to GA planes with stuck landing gear...sometimes successful!
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RE: Pick Up Truck Emergency Landing

Wed Oct 05, 2011 4:06 am

Quoting jetjack74 (Reply 3):
Why would anyone waste any time in doing so?

I dunno, for fun, maybe? Terribly sorry to waste your time...
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RE: Pick Up Truck Emergency Landing

Wed Oct 05, 2011 5:32 am

Quoting Wingscrubber (Thread starter):
# 2, there shouldn't be any tyre smoke when the nosewheel hits the truck bed

The smoke is actually coming from the truck's tires, not the airplane's. The truck skids as the plane hits it (somewhat realistically, at least - I think it's a nice touch that adds a little believability).

Your other points are true, though.

Quoting Wingscrubber (Thread starter):
# 5, the weight on the nosewheel of the plane is probably more than the payload of the truck?

The nosewheel itself almost definitely weighs less than the max payload of the truck. However, the forward section of the plane weighs many tons more, and would crush the suspension on that truck like a bug. It'd be like an ant trying to support the full weight of your boot, with your leg attached to it.
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RE: Pick Up Truck Emergency Landing

Wed Oct 05, 2011 11:19 am

Quoting YYZYYT (Reply 7):
and what have they done the nose of that plane?

I noticed that too...but I guess I was just too baffled by the presense of two passenger 727s in the commercial.

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RE: Pick Up Truck Emergency Landing

Wed Oct 05, 2011 12:34 pm

Quoting flymia (Reply 8):
Most cars these days can hit 120mph without much of a problem.

Actually the top speed of a car or truck (since he mid 80's) has been determined by the speed rating of the tires installed at the factory! The most likely tire to be installed on a Nissan pick-up would be an "R" rated tire good up to 106 mph. The engine controller should shut off the at that speed.

The majority of passenger cars are equipped with "T" rated tire rated at 118 mph.
 
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RE: Pick Up Truck Emergency Landing

Wed Oct 05, 2011 6:57 pm

This would make a good episode of Top Gear (UK.).... the Stig could drive the pickup.
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RE: Pick Up Truck Emergency Landing

Wed Oct 05, 2011 11:20 pm

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 10):
This topic almost begs for it...

Here it goes... http://youtu.be/tKg5-asGRHY

A jeep able to with hold a DC-10...seems legit but my question is with that video is how can an airplane land on a intercity highway. Wouldn't damage occur to the plane from overhead signs, lights and bridges....?
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RE: Pick Up Truck Emergency Landing

Wed Oct 05, 2011 11:32 pm

This is what happens when a plane and truck meet:



(yes, that is actually legit)

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 16):
..seems legit


[Edited 2011-10-05 16:34:41]
 
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RE: Pick Up Truck Emergency Landing

Thu Oct 06, 2011 1:34 am

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 16):
A jeep able to with hold a DC-10...seems legit but my question is with that video is how can an airplane land on a intercity highway. Wouldn't damage occur to the plane from overhead signs, lights and bridges....?

Shhh...don't take all the fun out of it  
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RE: Pick Up Truck Emergency Landing

Thu Oct 06, 2011 4:13 am

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 18):
Shhh...don't take all the fun out of it  

I went to film school, they trained us to take the fun out of everything haha
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RE: Pick Up Truck Emergency Landing

Thu Oct 06, 2011 7:29 am

Quoting Wingscrubber (Thread starter):
# 4, the real top speed of the truck is probably lower than the landing speed of the jet; 120-130mph?

I beg to differ - the truck is driving on a conveyor belt, and there's a huge fan at the end of the runway to lower the airplane's ground speed.

  
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RE: Pick Up Truck Emergency Landing

Thu Oct 06, 2011 8:18 pm

Conveyor belt?

but... but...

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RE: Pick Up Truck Emergency Landing

Sat Oct 08, 2011 7:58 pm

Quoting GAIsweetGAI (Reply 20):
beg to differ - the truck is driving on a conveyor belt, and there's a huge fan at the end of the runway to lower the airplane's ground speed

Just when you start to believe the skeptics and that there really is no way to make the conveyor belt work, someone comes along with a new and different approach that makes perfect sense.
You don't have me convinced about the fan yet though.

Quoting spacecadet (Reply 12):
The nosewheel itself almost definitely weighs less than the max payload of the truck. However, the forward section of the plane weighs many tons more, and would crush the suspension on that truck like a bug. It'd be like an ant trying to support the full weight of your boot, with your leg attached to it.

Normally I would agree with you, but you forgot about the new technology licensed from WS to reduce the weight of the aircraft.
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RE: Pick Up Truck Emergency Landing

Sat Oct 08, 2011 9:48 pm

Quoting BE77 (Reply 22):
www.westjet.com/guest/en/media-inves...shtml

                 

For a minute I thought they were dead serious 
 
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RE: Pick Up Truck Emergency Landing

Mon Oct 10, 2011 2:16 am

Quoting BE77 (Reply 22):

Just when you start to believe the skeptics and that there really is no way to make the conveyor belt work, someone comes along with a new and different approach that makes perfect sense.
You don't have me convinced about the fan yet though.

Oh crap, it actually works!  How about putting a conveyor belt on the back of the truck then?

  
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RE: Pick Up Truck Emergency Landing

Mon Oct 10, 2011 3:28 am

The graphics are dreadful in the clip. IMO if your going to spend as much money as a commercial costs, why not get the details right. Consult a person in the aviation field. christ! :]
 
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RE: Pick Up Truck Emergency Landing

Mon Oct 10, 2011 5:11 pm

Quoting my235 (Reply 25):
Consult a person in the aviation field. christ

I didn't know he was in the aviation field. I guess that might explain who Pontius Pilate (sp) was?

[Edited 2011-10-10 10:26:21]
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RE: Pick Up Truck Emergency Landing

Thu Oct 13, 2011 10:57 pm

I would love to see Mythbusters do this. Even though it's fake I would still love to see them try it out.
 
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RE: Pick Up Truck Emergency Landing

Fri Oct 14, 2011 1:46 am

Quoting working2gether (Reply 27):
I would love to see Mythbusters do this. Even though it's fake I would still love to see them try it out.

Yeah good luck with the FAA approving that.
 
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RE: Pick Up Truck Emergency Landing

Fri Oct 14, 2011 12:07 pm

I am surprised no one brought up these clips:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rELFSGei3hE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fj_0QYzMjek
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFUwrZsteRU

I guess its totally feasible for smalles airplanes.
 
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RE: Pick Up Truck Emergency Landing

Thu Oct 20, 2011 4:14 am

What's with the application of full down elevator as the mains touchdown? Force the nose down onto the pickup? What's the chance a real 727 was flown dead empty (except for fuel to fly the stunt) and ballasted to max aft CG, requiring forward stick to get the nose down at touchdown or it'd sit back on the tail? Perhaps that'd keep the load on the pickup light enough to make the stunt work.

That pickup doesn't look like it had a driver - if the stunt was real the truck the jet actually was set down on (not the truck being driven into position, different camera) was probably being towed (or otherwise) driverless.

The bobbed nose must've been for truck cab clearance or some other cinematic reason.

The action taking place on a taxiway, the bobbed nose, the down elevator, all bits of arcana that would never be noticed indicate a real piece of flying rather than CGI, else the ad makers would've CGI'd a runway, normal (or no) elevator movement and an ordinary nose.
 
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RE: Pick Up Truck Emergency Landing

Fri Oct 21, 2011 12:27 am

Pilate always got my attention in sunday school just because of his name. Very good one though.  But really, the video was dreadfully don't. FS2004/FSX have MUCH better graphic detail.

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