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Airline Ramp Towers Across The USA

Tue Oct 18, 2011 11:09 pm

Wondering if we can identify all the airline ramp towers across the USA.
What airline, if any, currently uses them, or/and what airline originally used them.

LGA
I wonder if this airport has the most. Looking at some of my old photographs, there is one on AA, UA and TW concourses of CTB. Not sure about Eastern concourse, but given the size of their operation, I'd guess yes. One on top os US terminal, one on top of US Shuttle terminal and one on top of DL terminal. Not sure about Marine Air Terminal.

MCO
One on top of airside 1 which originally was for Eastern. Airside 2, looking at an old 90s photo, I didn't see one, which surprises me, thats where DL was. Airside 4 has one. Airside 3?????

TPA
None that I am aware about.

MIA
I think it is gone now, but didn't Eastern have one between B and C?
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RE: Airline Ramp Towers Across The USA

Tue Oct 18, 2011 11:13 pm

PHX
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RE: Airline Ramp Towers Across The USA

Tue Oct 18, 2011 11:27 pm

The tallest must be AA's at DFW. One would think IT is the control tower.
 
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RE: Airline Ramp Towers Across The USA

Tue Oct 18, 2011 11:32 pm

Two at CLE for CO, one on C concourse and one D concourse
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RE: Airline Ramp Towers Across The USA

Tue Oct 18, 2011 11:40 pm

SFO

A Tower on the south ramp/ All A concourse users and AS/QX/FL/WN

D Tower controlling the SkyWest/UA ramp and from gates 63-78A

G Tower covering north ramp/ All G concourse users and UA/OO
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RE: Airline Ramp Towers Across The USA

Tue Oct 18, 2011 11:51 pm

LAX we have multiple ones.

Alaska - D10 alley
America - C10 alley
Delta - C8/C9 alley
United - C6/C7 alley

Others off the top of my head not mentioned:

IAD - covers the midfield ramp run by MWAA
DEN - B concourse gates by UA, A concourse by City of Denver
ORD - UA and AA.
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RE: Airline Ramp Towers Across The USA

Wed Oct 19, 2011 3:50 am

Quoting william (Reply 2):
The tallest must be AA's at DFW. One would think IT is the control tower.

I've been up in that cab, and it is indeed impressive. The tower provides quite a view.
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RE: Airline Ramp Towers Across The USA

Wed Oct 19, 2011 8:51 am

IAH north and south ends of C concourses.

EWR the C concourse

Quoting cle757 (Reply 3):
Two at CLE for CO, one on C concourse and one D concourse

I thought they stopped using the D concourse tower a few years ago?
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RE: Airline Ramp Towers Across The USA

Wed Oct 19, 2011 2:21 pm

CLT has one over the main concourse for all the USAir stuff. I'm not sure if A Concourse calls for push or not, but I'm betting they do on the south side at least.

Not sure where IAD's is, but it's there. PHL has multiple. F Terminal's is attached to it.
 
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RE: Airline Ramp Towers Across The USA

Thu Oct 20, 2011 4:36 am

Quoting DashTrash (Reply 8):
Not sure where IAD's is, but it's there.

Right in the middle of the C/D concourse.
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RE: Airline Ramp Towers Across The USA

Thu Oct 20, 2011 1:19 pm

ATL has a couple of them... not sure of exact locations.
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RE: Airline Ramp Towers Across The USA

Thu Oct 20, 2011 2:35 pm

Quoting 727LOVER (Thread starter):
MCO
One on top of airside 1 which originally was for Eastern. Airside 2, looking at an old 90s photo, I didn't see one, which surprises me, thats where DL was. Airside 4 has one. Airside 3?????



There is a "tower" on Airside 1 that is not used for Ramp Control any more. AA uses it for their OPS office . Only Airside 4 has an active Ramp Tower (DL) but only controls DL and DL handled international flights.
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RE: Airline Ramp Towers Across The USA

Thu Oct 20, 2011 5:31 pm

Is ramp control handled by airlines or the airport? Who works the terminals that see multiple airlines?

If airlines control ramp ops, then is there a way to ensure that airlines get equal treatment? For example, at ATL, if DL controls the ramp, they could hypothetically delay an ORD-bound UA flight for twenty-five minutes so that a DL flight to ORD can get a fifteen minute head start, despite the UA flight having an earlier scheduled departure time.
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RE: Airline Ramp Towers Across The USA

Thu Oct 20, 2011 7:58 pm

The D tower at CLE has been unused for a few years. Everything is run over from the C ramp tower via cameras.
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RE: Airline Ramp Towers Across The USA

Sat Oct 22, 2011 12:37 am

Quoting atct (Reply 13):
The D tower at CLE has been unused for a few years. Everything is run over from the C ramp tower via cameras.

Although you are correct that all ramp control and operations functions are now done in the C tower (with the help of cameras,) the D tower is not deserted. XJT maintenance coordinators have a station up there as do online baggage coordinators and fueling coordinators.
 
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RE: Airline Ramp Towers Across The USA

Sat Oct 22, 2011 11:15 pm

Ah forgot about them. Did Commutair ever move out of the base?

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RE: Airline Ramp Towers Across The USA

Mon Oct 24, 2011 3:23 am

In DFW, AA has the tall ramp tower between Terminals A and C, as well as a separate tower for Terminal D. Eagle's Ops tower is in Terminal A, coincidentally.
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RE: Airline Ramp Towers Across The USA

Mon Oct 24, 2011 6:33 pm

SEA has a tower over the center of the terminal, basically right behind the food court. Two ramp frequencies. Cargo/North Ramp and South Ramp

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 5):
DEN - B concourse gates by UA, A concourse by City of Denver

C concourse is also ramp controlled at DEN, but I don't know where they sit since there isn't a tower on top of the concourse. Are they maybe in the ATC Tower?
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RE: Airline Ramp Towers Across The USA

Mon Oct 24, 2011 6:46 pm

Quoting blink182 (Reply 12):
Is ramp control handled by airlines or the airport? Who works the terminals that see multiple airlines?
If airlines control ramp ops, then is there a way to ensure that airlines get equal treatment? For example, at ATL, if DL controls the ramp, they could hypothetically delay an ORD-bound UA flight for twenty-five minutes so that a DL flight to ORD can get a fifteen minute head start, despite the UA flight having an earlier scheduled departure time.

One example is UA at ORD. UA ramp control is responsible for the alley between C and B gates. UA has priority for this area and gives priority to its own aircraft. If another airline wants to taxi in the alley (for example if DL wanted a short cut through the alley to get to its Terminal 2 gates), they have to call up United ramp control to get approval to enter the area and move. They typically will allow if it is not during the departure banks and it is quiet, but during the arrival and departure banks, they will not allow other airlines through as it would effect UA's operation. Other airlines have to go around and stay on ORD frequencies.

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 17):
SEA has a tower over the center of the terminal, basically right behind the food court. Two ramp frequencies. Cargo/North Ramp and South Ramp

Ramp at SEA is not airline specific. The tower is staffed by 1 or 2 Port of Seattle employees depending on time of day. North is United, United Express, Air Canada, Alaska and most of Horizon. South has everything else. SEA needs ramp control since if airlines had their choice, there would be a lot of planes ending up nose to nose around the satellites.
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RE: Airline Ramp Towers Across The USA

Mon Oct 24, 2011 8:24 pm

DTW has one on top of the McNamara terminal by the hotel. A private Air Traffic Control company staffs it.
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RE: Airline Ramp Towers Across The USA

Mon Oct 24, 2011 9:31 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 5):
IAD - covers the midfield ramp run by MWAA

I did not know that MWAA ran the mid-filed tower, but it makes sense.

This may be a rather unique situation because the midfield ramp effectivly cuts the airport in two. As a part 91 operator, if I need to go from Signature to 1C/19C, there is no way to avoid the mid-filed ramp.

Are there any other ramps that cut off a runway?
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RE: Airline Ramp Towers Across The USA

Tue Oct 25, 2011 4:46 am

Quoting atct (Reply 15):
Ah forgot about them. Did Commutair ever move out of the base?

No...CommutAir is still going strong here with both the Dash 8 200's and -300's. They also have a crew room downstairs in the D concourse, and collect their flight papers from the Continental (err...United) weather room, also on the ground floor.

CommutAir also has a maintenance hangar at the northeast side of the field where they prepped the -300's for service: http://www.opshots.net/gallery2/index.php?page=photos&id=27286

The CO ramp tower handles the south side of the B concourse and the entire C and D concourses, controlling CommutAir, Gulfstream, Colgan, ExpressJet...(basically all the connection carriers of UA/CO), as well as AC Jazz and some Delta.
 
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RE: Airline Ramp Towers Across The USA

Tue Oct 25, 2011 4:48 am

Quoting blink182 (Reply 12):
Is ramp control handled by airlines or the airport? Who works the terminals that see multiple airlines?

If airlines control ramp ops, then is there a way to ensure that airlines get equal treatment? For example, at ATL, if DL controls the ramp, they could hypothetically delay an ORD-bound UA flight for twenty-five minutes so that a DL flight to ORD can get a fifteen minute head start, despite the UA flight having an earlier scheduled departure time.

It depends on the airport. Atlanta, for example, has six ramps. Ramps 1 and 2 are controlled by Delta, ramps 3, 4, 5, & 6 are controlled by the company I used to work for. I imagine Delta aircraft would take priority on their ramps, but I don't know for certain. I didn't work for an airline, so I didn't have any loyalties as far forcing someone to take a delay.

Every now and then a pilot or someone from ops would get really upset that the ramp was clogged and they couldn't get out, and they'd eventually shout that "WELL I'LL MAKE SURE THIS DELAY GETS CHARGED TO THE RAMP!" I guess maybe they're used to going to airports where their personnel control the ramps, but that couldn't mean less to me.
 
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RE: Airline Ramp Towers Across The USA

Tue Oct 25, 2011 6:31 am

Quoting blink182 (Reply 12):
Is ramp control handled by airlines or the airport? Who works the terminals that see multiple airlines?

If airlines control ramp ops, then is there a way to ensure that airlines get equal treatment? For example, at ATL, if DL controls the ramp, they could hypothetically delay an ORD-bound UA flight for twenty-five minutes so that a DL flight to ORD can get a fifteen minute head start, despite the UA flight having an earlier scheduled departure time.

At PHL there are Three ramp towers that I know of. The one on top of the F gates, which controls movements around the F gates, as well as WN pushbacks from the Odd numbered E gates. This one is staffed by Piedmont employees. I have been in that tower before, and there are typically four ops people, two handle requests from each inbound and outbound flights, another person acts as the ramp controller, and the operation is overseen by a supervisor who typically deals with gate assignments and acting as the liason between PHL and the express carriers SOC's. When PHL is on an East operation, a lot of 9R arrivals will be talking to the F ramp controller after they have crossed 9L, as the ramp controllers control taxiway J (F tower controls between spots 12 and 15. There is also one employee from the fuel company stationed in the tower as well, and they ensure that the correct planes are fueled to the correct level, as well as notifying the operating carrier if the plane is overfueled. (Usually caused by a last minute equipment swap)

A second ramp control is above the D gates. I am not sure who runs it (My guess is United), and it controls J from spots 9-11, and the pushbacks from the Even numbered E gates and the odd numbered D gates.

The third ramp controls is staffed by USAirways, and it controls all of J west of spot 8, as well as all ramp movements in that area. The tower there is similar functionally to the F tower in other areas as well.

I can't speak for other airports though, as I don't know how they work.
 
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RE: Airline Ramp Towers Across The USA

Tue Oct 25, 2011 11:23 am

Quoting apodino (Reply 23):
A second ramp control is above the D gates. I am not sure who runs it (My guess is United), and it controls J from spots 9-11, and the pushbacks from the Even numbered E gates and the odd numbered D gates.

The third ramp controls is staffed by USAirways, and it controls all of J west of spot 8, as well as all ramp movements in that area. The tower there is similar functionally to the F tower in other areas as well.

I can't speak for other airports though, as I don't know how they work.

Actually Ramp 2 - Spot 11 to Spot 8 is up in the US Mainline Ramp Tower and stands right next to Ramp 1 Spot 8 to Spot 1.

So there is just 2 operational Ramp Towers in PHL. 1 at F operated by Piedmont and 1 at A-West operated by US Mainline.
 
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RE: Airline Ramp Towers Across The USA

Tue Oct 25, 2011 4:19 pm

Quoting PHLapproach (Reply 24):
Actually Ramp 2 - Spot 11 to Spot 8 is up in the US Mainline Ramp Tower and stands right next to Ramp 1 Spot 8 to Spot 1.

So there is just 2 operational Ramp Towers in PHL. 1 at F operated by Piedmont and 1 at A-West operated by US Mainline.

Thanks for the clarification, I knew there were three ramp spots, I just didn't know where the towers were. I assumed there was one in D, but what you are saying makes a lot of sense, especially since the F gates and spots 12 and higher are in a blind spot to the A west tower.
 
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RE: Airline Ramp Towers Across The USA

Tue Oct 25, 2011 5:58 pm

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 18):
One example is UA at ORD. UA ramp control is responsible for the alley between C and B gates. UA has priority for this area and gives priority to its own aircraft. If another airline wants to taxi in the alley (for example if DL wanted a short cut through the alley to get to its Terminal 2 gates), they have to call up United ramp control to get approval to enter the area and move. They typically will allow if it is not during the departure banks and it is quiet, but during the arrival and departure banks, they will not allow other airlines through as it would effect UA's operation. Other airlines have to go around and stay on ORD frequencies.

That's not true at all. Although United does operate the ramp, they do not prioritize any one airline over another. Unless it's a dead time, all traffic for the even E gates must come through the north port to get to their gates because the C and B lanes are one-way traffic. This includes Air Canada and Delta, the users of those E gates. I know this for a fact as I fly for both DL and UA from ORD. They will never NOT let us in the North port. Sometimes we pull in and zig zag from the B to C lines to to get around the pushbacks, but it's no big deal. South port entry, once in a blue moon, will be granted if there are no opposite direction aircraft.
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RE: Airline Ramp Towers Across The USA

Tue Oct 25, 2011 8:43 pm

ATL has 3 ramp towers and 6 ramp frequencies. The A Concourse tower is staffed by Delta, while the C and E Concourse towers are staffed by TBI.



....oops, looks like ARFFDUDE has already mentioned ATL.

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