contrails67
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Checking Class Of Travel

Wed Oct 19, 2011 4:27 pm

Once on an Air India plane many years ago, I happened to have a terrible migraine headache and had a seat in front of the movie screen. Fortunately, the flight attendant allowed me to go have a seat in business class. While I had been in economy, I noticed a young woman who came and put her belongings in the overhead cabin and took a seat. After a few minutes, she got up and walked towards the front of the plane. When I was in business class, I noticed that she had found herself a seat.

My question is, whether flight attendants really check or aware of which seats are empty in business/first class. ( I assume they have a list of names accorded to each seat) Also, do they need permission from the cabin service manager if they do want someone to sit in business/first class?


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RE: Checking Class Of Travel

Wed Oct 19, 2011 4:42 pm

I know AC does, last flight I was on in J, the FA had a paper report and asked the guy sitting in front of me if he was in the right seat. Another FA came and gave her (I'm presuming) a fresh report and all was OK.
 
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RE: Checking Class Of Travel

Wed Oct 19, 2011 5:14 pm

The cabin crew have a manifest that shows what seats are occupied.

I was on a UA flight in the back row of First Class and a guy from the first row of Economy asked if he could take the empty aisle seat next to me. I told him it probably wouldn't work and sure enough, the next time an FA came by she instructed him to return to his original seat.

That being said, I've been moved up a class on occasion - usually to accommodate families/couples.
 
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RE: Checking Class Of Travel

Wed Oct 26, 2011 4:17 pm

I guess it all depends on the aircraft size, when you do it, and how the load factor is. LH has 747s configured with 80 Business-class seat. If you have a load light enough for people shifting around anyway, but heavy enough F/As cant keep track, it might work if you shift during the "rumble of the boarding".
If you can somehow get a hold of a list of free seats (at checkin, "I would like to upgrade, but only if my favorite seats are free!! which ones are free?") I guess you could just walk in and sit down (as long as the F/A checking your boarding card at the door does not watch), as nobody will check you afterwards anyway.

At one Airline, a Purser once made a funny remark on an A380 flight. She said, on the A380 they are so many crew on board (I think total of 28 or 29 or so?) they cant even remember who they saw in the briefing. If you somehow managed to get the uniform and change unnoticedly, you could wander around freely and actually nobody would notice. You wouldnt have to do anything also, as no specific work is assigned to you. Obviously, you might have a problem, if somebody asks you stuff you cant answer/do.

To be clear, this is all informational stuff, I do not want to encourage anybody to do stupid stuff....

[Edited 2011-10-26 09:19:11]
 
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RE: Checking Class Of Travel

Wed Oct 26, 2011 7:59 pm

I just got off of DL25, DUS-ATL, where I was seated in row 4 in Business Elite. About half way through the boarding process an older German couple sat down in front of me in row 3 and began to settle in, put their bags away in the overhead bins, etc. While settling in they made several comments like "ooh, this seat looks like heaven" and "I wonder what food we will get up here?"

I was about to ask if it was their first time flying in Business when the proper owner of seat 3F showed up. He took one look at their boarding passes and made a gesture to suggest "keep walking, you're wayyyy back there." The couple begrudgingly got up and made a second attempt at Business Class in row 5, but was moved on by a flight attendant before they could settle in.

Delta's pursers and FAs typically keep a list of business class passengers on hand for the boarding process and during mealtime. This limits the possibility of seat poaching and the FAs also use the list as a cheat-sheet to greet the premium passengers by name. I'm sure other airlines keep a similar list in the cabin, so it should be pretty easy to shoo off the seat poachers in First if necessary. Economy Comfort / Premium Economy seats on the other hand seem much more difficult to guard, as there is not a strict boundary between the cabins. I suspect that there is lots of room for people to sneak up into better seats if they so desire.
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RE: Checking Class Of Travel

Wed Oct 26, 2011 11:20 pm

At most airlines, it is very hard to sneak up. As mentioned above, F/As have passenger manifests. During boarding, they will check. Also how would the pax know which seats are free? In flight the F/As will in most cases notice there's an extra head or two.

My personal opinion is that trying to upgrade yourself by just sneaking in is a pretty vulgar thing to do. It is also stealing. #"¤"#¤ entitlement culture. You paid for economy. Stay there.

Quoting KPWMSpotter (Reply 4):
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RE: Checking Class Of Travel

Thu Oct 27, 2011 12:50 am

AFAIK, 99% of airlines provide the number of pax on board as well as the cabin class breakdown as well. What they choose to do with that info depends on the airline. Most European and Asian airlines I have been on do some sort of head count, even if it is discrete. Also, I have been on several flights where cabin crew in the premium cabins have "memorised" either empty seats or pax faces and have not been shy about calling out non-premium pax to return to their seats.

I was on TG one time in C sitting at the bulkhead and a pax came walking down the aisle, got to the galley near my seat, and a flight attendant saw him and immediately stated that she did not recognise him and asked what his seat was. When he responded she asked him to please return to economy, that C was reserved for those that had paid for it- even to walk.

Quoting hal9213 (Reply 3):

I guess it all depends on the aircraft size, when you do it, and how the load factor is. LH has 747s configured with 80 Business-class seat. If you have a load light enough for people shifting around anyway, but heavy enough F/As cant keep track, it might work if you shift during the "rumble of the boarding".

Not at all. On LH at least, all premium seats are accounted for after boarding by a headcount. If the numbers are off the FA's will check against the PIL or in some cases I have been asked for my boarding card to prove that I was seated in the right place. Believe me, airline personnel have been exhaustively trained on pax wandering to a different class of service than what they paid for.
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RE: Checking Class Of Travel

Thu Oct 27, 2011 2:09 pm

Quoting Lufthansa411 (Reply 6):
Believe me, airline personnel have been exhaustively trained on pax wandering to a different class of service than what they paid for.

Alright, fair enough   Then I have to try the version with the uniform  (Just kidding of course).

Another interesting thing: Various F/As of an airline told me, that they commonly catch somebody napping in the crew rest compartment, haha. Some have number pad locks (and the numbers rarely change), and apparently, people keep secretly filming F/As opening the doors, to get hold of the pin.
Now thats vulgar and bold, and also stupid, because you almost for sure get caught sleeping there, dont you?

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