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VS 747 Nose Cabin Dripping Water On Paxs.

Thu Nov 03, 2011 5:50 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhxHlCTkjjc&feature=related

Found this, posted in June, 2m40s into the video there is water dripping from the ceiling onto the passengers below.
Looking at the video it does not seem like a hot day but is this condensation or something else?
Is it a known 747 thing?
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RE: VS 747 Nose Cabin Dripping Water On Paxs.

Thu Nov 03, 2011 6:07 pm

Quoting readytotaxi (Thread starter):
Looking at the video it does not seem like a hot day but is this condensation or something else?

Looks like that's condensation. Had that happen on a NW DC10 flight from LGW-DTW in 2005 on descent into DTW.
 
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Thu Nov 03, 2011 6:12 pm

Looking at the video, the water was clearly dripping into the centre of the cabin, not onto passenger heads as suggested in your post. Very common on a lot of aircraft whenever you have condensation build up. Although it does not look like a hot day, it could have been humid. Other than that, I don't know what to suggest.
 
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Thu Nov 03, 2011 6:29 pm

Happens ALL THE TIME on 747s and 777s! Oddly enough I never noticed it on the 767!
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Thu Nov 03, 2011 9:42 pm

very common for this to happen.
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Thu Nov 03, 2011 9:51 pm

Most common cause is condensation. Often it will form due to older insulation blankets that absorb water. During takeoff the water can collect in areas and then drip into the cabin. The panels are just forward of the flight deck, so it is possible condensation collecting on and in the insulation is dripping into the cabin. It's a bit more water than desired, but pretty harmless. If it was being spilled from the flight deck, then it would be slightly farther aft and also likely not clear.
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RE: VS 747 Nose Cabin Dripping Water On Paxs.

Thu Nov 03, 2011 10:51 pm

Quoting readytotaxi (Thread starter):
Perhaps this is Virgins answer to the Emirates in-flight Shower.

I think you're on the right lines. it looks like VS's cheap attempt to copy EK's water feature on the A380.

It is also said that increased humidity creates an nicer cabin environment. VS thinking creatively here?  
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Fri Nov 04, 2011 1:18 am

My experience: cabin water vapor freezes against the cold aircraft structure while at cruise. Once descending through freezing level things thaw and drip happens. Occurs nearly exactly as we pass 0C and most noticeable in humid climes.
 
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Fri Nov 04, 2011 4:02 am

It happened to me on a UA 767-222 on a early morning flight from LAX to JFK back in the mid-90's. Just as the aircraft rotated on take-off, water that collected from the a/c vents below the overhead storage lockers dripped down on the row of seats. It was only for a few seconds.

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Fri Nov 04, 2011 2:18 pm

I read a Reader's Digest story about this happening on an Iberia jet in the eighties and a little kid commented, "The song is right mommy, the rain in Spain falls mainly on the plane."
 
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Fri Nov 04, 2011 3:21 pm

Happened to me on a KLM flight to Houston for Christmas, not only dripping, it was pouring from between the panels as we descended into Houston.
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RE: VS 747 Nose Cabin Dripping Water On Paxs.

Fri Nov 04, 2011 3:37 pm

Quoting tonystan (Reply 3):
Happens ALL THE TIME on 747s and 777s! Oddly enough I never noticed it on the 767!

Had it happen to me on a 767. Flew MAN - TFS on an FCA 763 and got a light soaking just after take off from MAN and that was in early November, it was cold morning as I recall. The idiot's in front got a little wet too and started complaining to an FA that "it was ridiculous and they should get a refund......"   
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Fri Nov 04, 2011 3:48 pm

Quoting mbmbos (Reply 9):
I read a Reader's Digest story about this happening on an Iberia jet in the eighties and a little kid commented, "The song is right mommy, the rain in Spain falls mainly on the plane."

Snap!!! I remember reading that in Readers Digest! Ha!
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Fri Nov 04, 2011 3:51 pm

Had it happen to be on a Southwest 733, it's pretty interesting to see, sometimes it pours, sometimes it "smokes" and sometimes it just drips.
 
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Fri Nov 04, 2011 3:58 pm

I had that happen to me on an Air Canada Jazz Dash 8 back in the 90s. I thought it was funny.
 
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RE: VS 747 Nose Cabin Dripping Water On Paxs.

Fri Nov 04, 2011 4:07 pm

Happened on a CX A330 out of a hot and sweaty Hong Kong...
 
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Fri Nov 04, 2011 4:57 pm

I once saw snow flurries aboard an AC E190 on a hot and humid day.
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Fri Nov 04, 2011 5:25 pm

Quoting EGCC777LR (Reply 11):
The idiot's in front got a little wet too and started complaining to an FA that "it was ridiculous and they should get a refund......"

Petulant brats. They should've enjoyed it. And asked for more.
 
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RE: VS 747 Nose Cabin Dripping Water On Paxs.

Fri Nov 04, 2011 6:07 pm

Another thing that seems a little common is deice fluid coming through the emergency exit door and door seals. Nothing like a glycol splat between the eyes during take off.  

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Fri Nov 04, 2011 7:55 pm

Sit in my aft jumpseat on landing on the E170 after a few hour long flight...you'll get a free hair wash.

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Fri Nov 04, 2011 9:25 pm

Quoting readytotaxi (Thread starter):
Is it a known 747 thing?

When the B744 was brand new with LH, we were on FRA-BKK-SYD in business, and the FAs kept the window seats empty, because it was literally raining onto those seats. It weren't just a few drops, but the seats were soaked. And yes, it was a very hot day in FRA (July), but I wonder what they did when they had a full cabin? The FA told me that it is happening all the time. Funnily, we were seated in the centre of the cabin, and unlike in your video, the water came down only at the window seats. The seats next to the window seats, and the center seats were dry...

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Fri Nov 04, 2011 9:38 pm

The NW DC-10's featured in-flight water-falls in the summer time out of humid DTW. It was always along the sidewall panels which sucked because I am a die-hard window-seat fan.

On a side note, I love it when the aircraft cabin looks like Halloween because of the condensation from the AC. Its funny to listen to people as they board .......it scares some people but others laugh.
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RE: VS 747 Nose Cabin Dripping Water On Paxs.

Fri Nov 04, 2011 9:44 pm

Quoting skoker (Reply 13):
sometimes it "smokes"
Quoting nutsaboutplanes (Reply 21):
cabin looks like Halloween because of the condensation from the AC

I love it - it gives you a cooling feeling on a hot day - like those mist machines in Asia...  Happened to me mostly on A320s, so I wonder if certain aircraft types are more prone to certain things, i.e. B744 for the "rain" and A320 for the "fog"....haha

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Fri Nov 04, 2011 10:16 pm

Quoting ZKEOJ (Reply 22):
love it - it gives you a cooling feeling on a hot day - like those mist machines in Asia... Happened to me mostly on A320s, so I wonder if certain aircraft types are more prone to certain things, i.e. B744 for the "rain" and A320 for the "fog"....haha

You know, now that you mention it, the 320 does put on quite a show, more so than any other aircraft that I have been on...you might be on to something!
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RE: VS 747 Nose Cabin Dripping Water On Paxs.

Fri Nov 04, 2011 11:57 pm

Quoting FoxBravo (Reply 16):

Oddly enough, every time I've flown an E190 (4 times now), I've had the same experience.
 
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Sat Nov 05, 2011 7:00 am

Yeah i have seen it many times on the planes. When I flew on a QF 744 to Paris from SIN, there were lots of drippings at the end of the overhead bin. A pax had to use a towel to cover up his head. At worst when the plane took off, the water from somewhere was travelling to the end of the overhead bin then fall to a pax. He yelled "AHHHHHHHHHHH" and got wet a lot! A flight attendant came to help him and gave him more blankets to cover up the wet seat. The plane was full and no empty seats available.
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Sat Nov 05, 2011 10:01 am

Happens on occasion. It doesn't have to be hot out. When its humid 3/4 of the year in the Southeastern USA / BWI. Its happened on some of our 717's. Sometimes there could be a clog somewhere in the ac ducting and that with muggy weather conditions = mile high shower. Better than a golden shower.   
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Sat Nov 05, 2011 10:25 am

I've had it happen to me on an SV 747-400 from RUH to DXB a few years back (I was sat in the centre block of 4 in Economy). It soon stopped though as the Air Con was turned off during flight (yeah, really good on a flight across the middle east in August!), then when at the gate at DXB I just got a huge blast of cold air... I suspect it could have been the cold air conditioning and the 45oC + temperature outside that caused it (it was around 1pm when we were due to leave RUH I think from memory). I also had dripping air conditioning units in my house in Saudi, mainly in the summer when you run them at almost maximum cooling power - that might explain why I was dripped on the SV flight...

Off topic for a moment: everyone should try SV once for the experience, not a bad airline at all in fairness, they're upgrading their older 777s with AVOD and they've taken delivery of new A320s and A330s too!

Whilst I'm not a huge A330/A340 fan (mainly as I've flown them so many times now), I've not had any drips/mist off one of those (I have had the A320 fog)
 
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Sat Nov 05, 2011 10:48 am

Happens to me as well in the flight deck every once in a while... Not very nice from an airplane to spit at me   

Oh and the MD11 was even worse here....

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RE: VS 747 Nose Cabin Dripping Water On Paxs.

Sat Nov 05, 2011 2:24 pm

Seen this happen so many times flying domestic in the Philippines. Most regional airports there are pretty basic and do not posess airbridges. The humid air from outside condenses and it can seem like there is fog in the cabin.

Funny thing was it seemed just as bad on Cebu Pacific's fairly new A320/319s as on Zest Air's rather older (ex JetBlue I think) A320s.
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Sat Nov 05, 2011 5:55 pm

Since I started this thread you people have made me so jealous.  

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Sat Nov 05, 2011 9:05 pm

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 28):
Happens to me as well in the flight deck every once in a while... Not very nice from an airplane to spit at me  

Very common on the Flight deck of the B757s too under humid conditions,the overhead vent dripd directly on to the Aft end on the center pedestal.So theres always a cloth rag at times out there....
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Sun Nov 06, 2011 12:15 am

Quoting readytotaxi (Thread starter):
Looking at the video it does not seem like a hot day but is this condensation or something else?

Condensation.

Quoting readytotaxi (Thread starter):
Is it a known 747 thing?

It's a known airplane thing, it's called "rain in the plane". All aircraft do it. The only difference is how good the interiors guys are at channeling the condensation places where it doesn't visibly drip out. If you do hot/humid cycles long enough eventually you'll overwhelm the felt in the ceiling and then it's just a question of where the water is going to come out.

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Sun Nov 06, 2011 12:45 am

Where does this condensation water normally go to? Do airplanes pee like buses  
 
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Sun Nov 06, 2011 1:10 am

Quoting YokoTsuno (Reply 33):
Where does this condensation water normally go to? Do airplanes pee like buses

It drains down to the fuselage bulge (belly). There are holes located in the belly of the fuselage that will let the moisture drain out. Some of these holes are equipped with rubber plugs that can be opened to let out the water, some have a small cage with a ping pong ball in it, when water enters the ball floats up the water leaks out, when the fuselage is pressurized the ball closes the hole and some are just open holes.

There are also holes drilled in the stringers that allow water to drain to the lowest point of the fuselage.

There is a requirement, established by the Aging Aircraft Task Force and back-up with an AD, that the fuselage these drains must be checked every D-Check to insure they are open and moisture can drain freely to the bulge.
 
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Sun Nov 06, 2011 3:37 am

The rainstorm champion had to be the Convair 240 on a humid day in south Louisiana. It would blow enough fog into the cabin to make finding your seat an approach to minimums and, then, drip water all the way to level off.
 
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Sun Nov 06, 2011 6:29 am

Quoting 474218 (Reply 34):
... these drains must be checked every D-Check to insure they are open and moisture can drain freely to the bulge.

Good to know that I don't need to swim on my upcoming TPE flight 
 
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Mon Nov 07, 2011 3:26 am

The DC-9's would do it all the time in the summer when it was humid..I remember when NW put the new interiors in the DC-9's the reading lights as well as call chime were controlled by a curcuit board in each PSU when they got wet the lights would all flash and the call chime would go off on its own and when the a/c rotated all that water would rush to the last rows of the airplane and soak whoever was sitting there.
 
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Mon Nov 07, 2011 9:29 am

Always wondered why Humidity triggered Fog in Main Deck on freighters dont trigger Smoke Detectors but do with smoke.is it because Smoke stays to reflect light in the smoke detectors 
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