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Vio
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UPS MD-11F Range Question...

Fri Dec 23, 2011 5:46 am

Hey,

I was wondering what the range for UPS' MD-11 is. Where are they based out of? I saw a lot of pictures take in SYD and I wanted to know:


1. What the range of that plane is
2. If they do a technical stop somewhere
3. Where would that technical stop be
4. Does it go with a full load?

Thanks in advance. I know I can search up Wikipedia (which I did), but all I found there was a range that seemed a bit "short" for a long-haul freighter.

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RE: UPS MD-11F Range Question...

Fri Dec 23, 2011 7:32 am

That range is listed with maximum payload and is nowhere near the maximum range of the Aircraft.
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RE: UPS MD-11F Range Question...

Fri Dec 23, 2011 7:43 am

If a Fedex Md-11 helps we do HNL-SYD
 
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RE: UPS MD-11F Range Question...

Fri Dec 23, 2011 3:48 pm

Quoting vio (Thread starter):
1. What the range of that plane is

If I recall it right, the MD-11F loaded up to MZFW will be able to fly approx. 3,800nm
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RE: UPS MD-11F Range Question...

Fri Dec 23, 2011 5:04 pm

You can find the payload-range chart for the MD-11F here: http://www.boeing.com/commercial/airports/m11.htm

At maximum design payload, range is around 3800nm (depending if PW or GE engines are fitted). With no payload, the range is around 8000nm.
 
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RE: UPS MD-11F Range Question...

Sat Dec 24, 2011 1:07 am

The UPS MD-11 into SYD comes out of HNL and operates non stop. There's no particular "base" for the airplanes. Crews are based in SDF and ANC (maybe ONT???)

The longest MD flight I've ever dispatched was LAD to IAH, around 8000NM. This was a pax configured plane and coul carry minimal payload usually (about 20,000lbs and sometimes had to be towed to the end of the runway for starting to make it)

The HNL-SYD is about 5000NM and change. Some days you can load it up pretty well, usually bulking out before hitting weight limits. The longest flight regular MD freighter flights we op are close to 6000NM and are very restricted.
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RE: UPS MD-11F Range Question...

Sat Dec 24, 2011 2:47 am

Quoting fxra (Reply 5):
The longest flight regular MD freighter flights we op are close to 6000NM and are very restricted.

That's not bad for any freighter. I can see why, this being the case, why the MD-11 remains desirable to its operators. Can you say how this compares to the 77F?
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RE: UPS MD-11F Range Question...

Sat Dec 24, 2011 5:31 am

Quoting wn700driver (Reply 6):
That's not bad for any freighter. I can see why, this being the case, why the MD-11 remains desirable to its operators. Can you say how this compares to the 77F?
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/F...0/history/20111222/1500Z/ZSPD/KMEM

Planned 8,136nm Actual 7,799

Another is
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/F...8/history/20111223/1415Z/VHHH/KMEM

Although I don't know what paylod can be flown at these ranges.

[Edited 2011-12-23 21:38:49]
 
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RE: UPS MD-11F Range Question...

Sat Dec 24, 2011 7:06 pm

Now granted the aircraft was empty but a few year back UPS delivered one of their MD-11Fs out of conversion direct from Singapore to Louisville. I think it was about 17 hours.
 
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RE: UPS MD-11F Range Question...

Sat Dec 24, 2011 9:29 pm

Quoting wn700driver (Reply 6):
Can you say how this compares to the 77F?

At maximum zero fuel weight, range is about 5800nm.

I've seen reports on this forum that maximum design payload on the latest build 777Fs is about 15t higher than the MD-11F (107t to 92t).
 
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RE: UPS MD-11F Range Question...

Sun Dec 25, 2011 1:08 am

Why did the MD-11 became so popular as a freighter while near-extinct as
passenger jet?
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RE: UPS MD-11F Range Question...

Sun Dec 25, 2011 2:32 am

Quoting cmb56 (Reply 8):
Now granted the aircraft was empty but a few year back UPS delivered one of their MD-11Fs out of conversion direct from Singapore to Louisville. I think it was about 17 hours.

Here is an old link to the flight you are speaking of.

http://ww.airliners.net/aviation-for...general_aviation/read.main/647336/
 
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RE: UPS MD-11F Range Question...

Sun Dec 25, 2011 10:17 am

Quoting Tupolev160 (Reply 10):
near-extinct as
passenger jet?

Because it sucked. It was late, and when it arrived it underperformed. The MD-11 did not offer as much range as the A340, which also offered significant commonality with the A330 (though the 330 was nothing special in those days). And when the 777 showed up a few years later, the MD-11 was soundly outclassed in pretty much every respect.

Quoting Tupolev160 (Reply 10):
Why did the MD-11 became so popular as a freighter

Largely because nobody wants them to fly passengers. Used planes for conversion were easy to find and were relatively cheap. Also new builds freighters were offered early since the line was not that jammed with passenger planes. As far as new build widebody freighters went in those days the MD-11 was really about the only game in town for long range flights. The 747-400F wasn't built for several more years, as was the 767-300F and the A300F didn't offer the same range as the MD-11.
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RE: UPS MD-11F Range Question...

Sun Dec 25, 2011 10:29 am

And the MD11 could carry nearly the payload of a 747 Classic on much less fuel.



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RE: UPS MD-11F Range Question...

Sun Dec 25, 2011 7:12 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 4):

Why the greater range with the CF6s? I'm assuming the fuel consumption is slightly better...but why, exactly?

Further, I remember reading here about 767s having better resale value if equipped with CF6s (vs. PW4060s) due to lower maintenance costs. Is the same true for the 767 in terms of fuel consumption? Further still, do MD-11s powered with CF6s have better resale value for the same reason as the 767?

Thanks in advance for any insight.
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RE: UPS MD-11F Range Question...

Mon Dec 26, 2011 2:36 am

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 12):
Also new builds freighters were offered early since the line was not that jammed with passenger planes.

Not true. While the MD-11F was offered from the start, in 1991 the MD-11 had a significant passenger backlog. The majority of the freighter built frames were produced between 1998-2000.
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RE: UPS MD-11F Range Question...

Sat Dec 31, 2011 2:43 am

Quoting Tupolev160 (Reply 10):
Why did the MD-11 became so popular as a freighter while near-extinct as
passenger jet?

Also the MD-11 tends to flip when landing in a crosswind. It's tail is too small. This is too large a risk for most commercial pax aircrafts, but not for freighters.
 
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RE: UPS MD-11F Range Question...

Sat Dec 31, 2011 4:10 am

Quoting Tupolev160 (Reply 10):
Why did the MD-11 became so popular as a freighter while near-extinct as
passenger jet?

Actually, the MD-11 is a popular freighter because it can loaded to its max payload weight and max volumetric capability at the same time using general cargo densities. Other freighters will reach either limit before the other.
 
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RE: UPS MD-11F Range Question...

Sat Dec 31, 2011 3:30 pm

Quoting delawareusa (Reply 16):
Also the MD-11 tends to flip when landing in a crosswind. It's tail is too small. This is too large a risk for most commercial pax aircrafts, but not for freighters.

Wrong~ It doesn't "tend to flip". I've flown the jet for 12 yrs and never seen a tendency to flip. Yes you must watch side loads on the gear and don't unload the elevator in a bounce. This has been covered a bazillion times.

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