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E190 Love It Or Hate It.

Sat Mar 24, 2012 12:57 pm

I work for an airline where almost half of our fleet is the E190 and after discussions on the constant mx problems that seems to plague our fleet I'd like to get opinions of the aircraft from those that work on it, fly it and ground load it. Since we've obtained these planes they've been nothing but a headache for all involved. So much so, they we've nicknamed them the 180 because as soon as you push them out they come right back. I should tell you I'm a ground handler but work on them on a daily basis for about 5 or so years now so even though I'm not getting a steady stream of the mx problems per say, I'm still having my flight delayed due to the problems. Its put a real strain on our route planing with the constant problems they seem to cause. One of our tech guys told me that one of the problems is that they don't perform well in cold climate areas. Hydraulic problems seem to be a cause of the mx problems as well as cpu issues. So what am I getting at here? I just wanna get some feed back on what some of you think about the aircraft, especially those that have it in your airlines.

Thanks in advance.
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RE: E190 Love It Or Hate It.

Sat Mar 24, 2012 2:25 pm

When the E175/E190 were introduced into the AC fleet, dispatch reliability was a huge issue. But, that is the case with any new aircraft. I was around when we first got the A320s, (yes I am that old!) and it was not much different with that aircraft. The biggest difference with the A320 was that there were 3 very high profile crashes of the A320, and passengers didn't trust it!

Once people got used to the E175/E190, and its quirks were learned, things settled down. Today, its maintenance dispatch reliability is about the same as the A320 series. There is however, a marked passenger preference for the E175/E190 over other narrow body aircraft for Economy passengers, due to the comfortable cabin layout.

The E175/E190 is great at non-precision approaches. (Common in Canada). Whereby the autopilot and flight directors can be left on to 50 feet, vice the A320 where both have to be disconnected and shut off at minima!
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RE: E190 Love It Or Hate It.

Sun Mar 25, 2012 1:45 am

I did in fact talk to JB pilots, and they, can say that the E190 has MX problems, I know they canceled some E190's back in October I believe due to the problems, which I don't blame JB for doing. So you're not the only one with problems.

This reminds me of this thread: Embraer 190 / 170 Dispatch Reliability (by CM767 Feb 9 2006 in Tech Ops)
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RE: E190 Love It Or Hate It.

Mon Mar 26, 2012 10:39 pm

Quoting contrails15 (Thread starter):
I work for an airline where almost half of our fleet is the E190

Not even close.

Total A/C: 172
A320: 121
E190: 51
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RE: E190 Love It Or Hate It.

Mon Mar 26, 2012 10:55 pm

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 3):
Not even close.

Total A/C: 172
A320: 121
E190: 51

Guess it feels like it sometimes. Only 51 and still puts a huge burden on the operation non the less.
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RE: E190 Love It Or Hate It.

Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:28 pm

I would say since the reliability has improved everywhere but B6 it certainly sounds as if B6 is doing it wrong.

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RE: E190 Love It Or Hate It.

Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:08 am

I cannot stand the E190. There are so many ground loading issues and MX issues with that plane that every time I see a tail number that would make it an E190, I cringe. Yesterday we had 3 E190s take MX delays at the same time. All over 2+ hours and one plane left 6 hours late. On the ramp side, the bins have way too much webbing and are a pain to put up. Loading the aircraft can be tough (especially flights going to NAS or SDQ) because of the 2 inch gap, not to mention all of the damn grates hanging down for the fire detection equipment. Another thing I've noticed is the bin lining is very fragile, there are always metal pieces or even the anti skid floor broken in places and pointing up.
 
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RE: E190 Love It Or Hate It.

Tue Mar 27, 2012 5:50 pm

Quoting gigneil (Reply 5):
I would say since the reliability has improved everywhere but B6 it certainly sounds as if B6 is doing it wrong.

Considering B6 has the oldest E190's out there, they are always going to experience the issues first as the fleet ages in hours and cycles. That's the burden of being the first customer to operate a new aircraft. It's not that they are doing it wrong, it's more of an issue of being the first to experience problems, then working with Embraer and the OEMs to rectify the problems through mods and SBs and whatnot.  
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RE: E190 Love It Or Hate It.

Tue Mar 27, 2012 7:00 pm

Quoting longhauler (Reply 1):
There is however, a marked passenger preference for the E175/E190 over other narrow body aircraft for Economy passengers, due to the comfortable cabin layout.

Yes, I can confirm that as a passenger. I have been flying around 6hrs/week on the E190, and would much prefer this over an RJ type. Nice cabin, seats, legroom etc. but that's only B6 so cannot comment on other airlines.


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RE: E190 Love It Or Hate It.

Tue Mar 27, 2012 9:46 pm

The E190 is a great bird, as is the E170/175, I have flown the 190 on US and on B6 and I love em. I'm actually surprised to hear these comments about their reliability - the must be like my SL500 super handling and comfortable...but don't be caught without a warranty   
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RE: E190 Love It Or Hate It.

Wed Mar 28, 2012 1:13 am

I fly the 170/175 for a large E-jet operator. We also have 190s. Our dispatch reliability is on par or better than any other aircraft. They had their troubles at first but I can't remember the last time I had a cancellation for mx. So far this year I've logged about 250 hours and have about 4000 in the aircraft.
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RE: E190 Love It Or Hate It.

Wed Mar 28, 2012 2:54 am

Quoting bond007 (Reply 8):
Yes, I can confirm that as a passenger. I have been flying around 6hrs/week on the E190, and would much prefer this over an RJ type. Nice cabin, seats, legroom etc. but that's only B6 so cannot comment on other airlines.

Same here...prefer it over the A320 flights all the time. From time to time on my Florida flights with B6, I will be on an E190 and know that the flight itself will be a comfy one. Especially since you only have to jump over one person to get to a restroom if you are at the window!
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RE: E190 Love It Or Hate It.

Thu Mar 29, 2012 4:28 am

I can only comment as a passenger - and I absolutely love it. Comfortable 4x4 layout (you're never in a "middle" seat); cozy cabin; very nice smooth flying characteristics; just a really cute overall design. I love the look of the E190 on the tarmac and in the air.

Passenger-level usability is pretty important for an airline to consider in the big picture.

Different people have different views, but as far as mine go, I am a fan of this a/c.
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RE: E190 Love It Or Hate It.

Thu Mar 29, 2012 1:24 pm

I can only comment as a passenger, but I love the E-190 and look forward to every flight. For a regional jet, it is extremely comfortable, I don't have to slouch to stand up in the aisle, and the banks of two seats are very comfortable. This is JetBlue, of course, with comfortable leg room but I have only good things to say about the aircraft.
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RE: E190 Love It Or Hate It.

Thu Mar 29, 2012 3:39 pm

I heard (as a passenger) that the cockpit CPUs literally are not certified to boot below 20 degrees or whatever the typical hard disk operating temperature is (do they have hard disks?). So, you need to preheat the interior so the computers can run. Or, not.
 
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RE: E190 Love It Or Hate It.

Sat Mar 31, 2012 1:53 am

What about cargo load, say you have 100 pax and half of them has bags, are there much room for them to carry cargo? Any cargo pallets suitable for the E-jets?

OTP, how is a 190/195 compare to a Fokker 100?

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RE: E190 Love It Or Hate It.

Sat Mar 31, 2012 2:04 am

I don't like it because the seat rows are not lined up with the windows. It is very uncomfortable to have to lean way forward or recline my seat to see out of a window.

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RE: E190 Love It Or Hate It.

Sat Mar 31, 2012 10:26 am

Quoting happy-flier (Reply 12):
Comfortable 4x4 layout

Uh...you must mean 2x2
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RE: E190 Love It Or Hate It.

Sat Mar 31, 2012 12:19 pm

I think it look's a really nice plane! Wouldn't mind flying in it sometime!

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RE: E190 Love It Or Hate It.

Sat Mar 31, 2012 3:52 pm

Quoting Flighty (Reply 14):

It's not the CPU that's the problem.... The 170's and 190's do not like the cold weather. Powering it up for the first flight of the day requires warming up the hydraulics. When it's below 32 deg F, the PCU's power up test fails due to skydrol being thick and does not pass the internal leakage test.
The way to get it to pass is to warm up the hyd fluid 30 mims before departure on the first flight of the day by turning all the pumps on and moving the yokes around warming up the fluid in the lines until they reach the temp outlined in the cold weather ops SB from Embraer.

Not only that, also the electronics in the MAU's are sensitive and they get fried easy requiring replacement and uploading the software to recognize the new cards which is time consuming.

The 170's and 190's takes a good while to power up from cold and dark cockpit. Can't touch the yokes or it will fail the flight control power up test.

I don't like the electronics on this plane....Honeywell designed and set up the avionics layout and I despie them.
 
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RE: E190 Love It Or Hate It.

Sat Mar 31, 2012 3:59 pm

Quoting L1011 (Reply 16):
I don't like it because the seat rows are not lined up with the windows. It is very uncomfortable to have to lean way forward or recline my seat to see out of a window.

On which airlines is this the case, and is it so on all rows throughout the aircraft?

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RE: E190 Love It Or Hate It.

Sat Mar 31, 2012 11:23 pm

US Airways, and some rows seem to be okay. It's just that when you select your seat, you don't know if you've got a properly aligned window or not.

Quoting TSS (Reply 20):
On which airlines is this the case, and is it so on all rows throughout the aircraft?
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RE: E190 Love It Or Hate It.

Sun Apr 01, 2012 1:55 am

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 17):

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RE: E190 Love It Or Hate It.

Sun Apr 01, 2012 7:37 am

On AE as well there are some misaligned rows, I was in 2A yesterday, and had to bend forward to look out the window. But, of course, the 2x2 seating is nice, and I can fully stand up in the aisle (unlike on an ERJ-145), making this the "perfect" small plane.
 
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RE: E190 Love It Or Hate It.

Sun Apr 01, 2012 6:02 pm

Quoting Flighty (Reply 14):
I heard (as a passenger) that the cockpit CPUs literally are not certified to boot below 20 degrees or whatever the typical hard disk operating temperature is (do they have hard disks?). So, you need to preheat the interior so the computers can run. Or, not.

No so.

During Transport Canada certification, I took an E175 to Frobisher Bay, where it was -55C. Let the ship cold soak for 24 hours, then started it up! (I was one of the AC project pilots for the E175/E190 introduction).

The only issues as noted above are with hydraulics. And it is not that the PCUs are frozen, (the aircraft flies in colder temperatures than that!), it is the TEST of the PCUs that doesn't work well in cold temperatures. So again as noted above, in temps colder than -10C, we have a hydraulic "warm up" in the SOPs.

Once the new aircraft glitches had been ironed out, it settled down just like the rest of the fleet. I am one of the project pilots for the introduction of the B787 into AC, and I am expecting the same issues when that aircraft comes along!
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RE: E190 Love It Or Hate It.

Sat Apr 07, 2012 8:25 pm

Quoting longhauler (Reply 24):
in temps colder than -10C, we have a hydraulic "warm up" in the SOPs.

Out of curiosity, is that temperature typical in commercial aircraft. The 'knee in the curve' for hydraulic fluid viscosity is at about 20F (-5C). I wouldn't be surprised if a number of aircraft required hydraulic fluid warm up at -10C!

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RE: E190 Love It Or Hate It.

Sun Apr 08, 2012 1:39 am

From a pax view,I love the E-Jets.Very comfy inside and plenty of legroom,also very pretty looking.I have a friend who works with them and he also says that the little jet doesn't like the cold.I'm not surprised by that as she is built in warm sunny Brazil.I don't like the cold either 

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