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Jumpseats In Cockpit

Wed Jul 04, 2012 5:55 pm

Hi all,

With a possible jumpseat ride coming up, I started wondering how many jumpseats there are in a cockpit. I'm sure this differs per aircraft type, maybe you can come up with a list?

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RE: Jumpseats In Cockpit

Wed Jul 04, 2012 6:39 pm

Of the aircraft I've flown on, in the jumpseat...

CRJ-100/200/900 - 1
Dash 8-100/300/Q400 - 1
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RE: Jumpseats In Cockpit

Wed Jul 04, 2012 6:47 pm

Obviously it depends on the type you are talking about.
But on the B737 there are Two Supernumery/Jumpseats,one behind the Captain & one Front of the Cockpit door.On the B737 Freighter its the same but add three more in the Area between the Flight deck & the Main deck,before it was disallowed by regulatory.
On the B752SF,there are Two Jump seats similiar to the B737 located aft of the Captains seat & in front of the Cockpit door.
On the B752PCF,there are Four Jump seats...One aft of the captains seat,A wide seat aft of the Control pedestal & Two Seats on the front wall of the Main deck inside the cockpit.
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RE: Jumpseats In Cockpit

Wed Jul 04, 2012 6:49 pm

I sat in the following jumpseats:

F100: 1 jumpseat
737 Classic: 1 jumpseat

I think the A320 Family has three, one of those is called the torture seat:

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RE: Jumpseats In Cockpit

Wed Jul 04, 2012 6:50 pm

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 2):
But on the B737 there are Two

I stand corrected Sir.
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RE: Jumpseats In Cockpit

Wed Jul 04, 2012 7:01 pm

Thanks for your replies so far!

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 2):
one Front of the Cockpit door
Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 2):
in front of the Cockpit door.

I assume you mean behind the flight deck door, from a passenger's point of view?
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RE: Jumpseats In Cockpit

Wed Jul 04, 2012 7:04 pm

Quoting travelavnut (Reply 3):
737 Classic: 1 jumpseat

737-400 and all NG, two observers seats. The first observers seat folds out from the r/h wall, just forward of the flight deck door. The 2nd observers seat is to the left of the first, right behind the captains seat.

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RE: Jumpseats In Cockpit

Wed Jul 04, 2012 7:33 pm

Quoting yeelep (Reply 6):
737-400 and all NG, two observers seats.

Not always, as it's a customer option to have the second observer seat behind the Captain.
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RE: Jumpseats In Cockpit

Wed Jul 04, 2012 9:31 pm

Quoting yeelep (Reply 6):
737-400 and all NG, two observers seats. The first observers seat folds out from the r/h wall, just forward of the flight deck door. The 2nd observers seat is to the left of the first, right behind the captains seat.



The PMCO early B735 had the two jump-seats, I was lucky enough to have the one forward of the flight deck door and got to watch an America West pilot squeeze into the one behind the Captain seat, wow was that ever a tight fit.   
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RE: Jumpseats In Cockpit

Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:46 pm

The number of jumpseats depends both on the type of aircraft and the airline. For example, Delta's 752, 738 and CAL 737-700 all only have one cockpit jumpseat. DL A319/A320 have two cockpit jumpseats as do UAL 763. UPS and Fedex along with many freighters install the normal observers seat plus several more and often have business class seats. IIRC, Southwest 733s have two cockpit jumpseats.

I would know as I have a growing list of aircraft that Ive jumpseat on: CRJ2, CR7, CR9, ERJ145, ERJ170, MD82, MD88, MD11, DC9, B717, B733, B737, B738, B744, B757, B763, A300, A319, A320.
 
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RE: Jumpseats In Cockpit

Thu Jul 05, 2012 4:20 am

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 2):
But on the B737 there are Two Supernumery/Jumpseats
Quoting yeelep (Reply 6):
The 2nd observers seat is to the left of the first, right behind the captains seat.

My airline has recently prohibited the use of the 2nd observer's seat on revenue flights. I can't remember exactly why, but it may be that the second jumpseat is no longer selected as an option on new delivery aircraft and therefore some aircraft may not have it installed.
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RE: Jumpseats In Cockpit

Thu Jul 05, 2012 8:40 am

Quoting nipoel123 (Reply 5):

I assume you mean behind the flight deck door, from a passenger's point of view?

Afirm....

Quoting N243NW (Reply 10):

My airline has recently prohibited the use of the 2nd observer's seat on revenue flights. I can't remember exactly why, but it may be that the second jumpseat is no longer selected as an option on new delivery aircraft and therefore some aircraft may not have it installed.

Probably as the fit is very cramped.Aft mvmt of the captains seat in an emergency can strike the feel of the 2nd observer,hence restricted...Just my guess.
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RE: Jumpseats In Cockpit

Thu Jul 05, 2012 9:25 am

Quoting N243NW (Reply 10):
My airline has recently prohibited the use of the 2nd observer's seat on revenue flights.

Are you sure?

That is completely unacceptable and a violation of contractual jumpseat language.
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RE: Jumpseats In Cockpit

Thu Jul 05, 2012 11:11 am

Quoting N243NW (Reply 10):
I can't remember exactly why, but it may be that the second jumpseat is no longer selected as an option on new delivery aircraft and therefore some aircraft may not have it installed.

No oxygen mask for 2nd observer seat perhaps?
The regulations here prohibit use of flight deck observer seats without dedicated oxygen access.
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RE: Jumpseats In Cockpit

Thu Jul 05, 2012 3:43 pm

Quoting N243NW (Reply 10):
I can't remember exactly why, but it may be that the second jumpseat is no longer selected as an option on new delivery aircraft and therefore some aircraft may not have it installed.

According to AA management, this is driven by a TSA requirement for including the second jumpseat occupant's name on the electronic manifest sent to TSA for every flight. There is a software problem [not sure if it is AA or TSA or both] that prohibits AA from having two different configurations of 738 cockpit seats (we have 18 w/two jumpseats, the rest w/one jumpseat). Hence, AA is now prohibited from using the second jumpseat.
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RE: Jumpseats In Cockpit

Thu Jul 05, 2012 4:39 pm

Wow, not good for commuters for sure. Most of our a/c have 2 jumpseats but we definitely have a handful that don't, and are able to utilize all that are available.
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RE: Jumpseats In Cockpit

Thu Jul 05, 2012 5:38 pm

Quoting barney captain (Reply 7):
Quoting yeelep (Reply 6):
737-400 and all NG, two observers seats.

Not always, as it's a customer option to have the second observer seat behind the Captain.

Didn't know that, thanks for the heads up.

Quoting N243NW (Reply 10):
My airline has recently prohibited the use of the 2nd observer's seat on revenue flights. I can't remember exactly why, but it may be that the second jumpseat is no longer selected as an option on new delivery aircraft and therefore some aircraft may not have it installed.

I'm sure that "seat" violates many treaties banning torture.

Quoting mandala499 (Reply 13):
No oxygen mask for 2nd observer seat perhaps?
The regulations here prohibit use of flight deck observer seats without dedicated oxygen access.

Our 737's have dedicated O2 for the 2nd observers seat.
 
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RE: Jumpseats In Cockpit

Thu Jul 05, 2012 5:49 pm

WN, does have some 737CL with only one jumpseat. These were purchased/leased from other operators. I can tell you this, the 2nd. obs. seat is torture, that's why we call it the "tombstone". As mechs. we have to fly up there pretty regularly to get downline to repair aircraft. The NG's are just slightly more comfortable. If you have a tall Captain it is even worse.
 
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RE: Jumpseats In Cockpit

Fri Jul 06, 2012 11:31 am

Quoting mandala499 (Reply 13):
The regulations here prohibit use of flight deck observer seats without dedicated oxygen access.
On if U got 4 in the cockpit, and only 3 oxy in the cockpit... that 4th guy might wish he never left the ground... ???

That should be a restriction worldwide as everyseat needs to have dedicated O2 access to it.
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RE: Jumpseats In Cockpit

Fri Jul 06, 2012 12:54 pm

I've never been in the cockpit of any jet airliner that didn't have O2 for every seat. Can someone tell me a jet that doesn't? Just curious since it doesn't make any sense.
 
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RE: Jumpseats In Cockpit

Sat Jul 07, 2012 5:36 am

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 18):
Quoting mandala499 (Reply 13):
The regulations here prohibit use of flight deck observer seats without dedicated oxygen access.
On if U got 4 in the cockpit, and only 3 oxy in the cockpit... that 4th guy might wish he never left the ground... ???

That should be a restriction worldwide as everyseat needs to have dedicated O2 access to it.

Don't know about worldwide but I can guarantee that if there are 4 people in the cockpit, there are 4 masks in the cockpit, in the US. There has to be seating and emergency equiptment for all 4.
 
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RE: Jumpseats In Cockpit

Sat Jul 07, 2012 6:56 pm

Quoting 737tdi (Reply 20):
Don't know about worldwide but I can guarantee that if there are 4 people in the cockpit, there are 4 masks in the cockpit, in the US. There has to be seating and emergency equiptment for all 4.

True.....
the only restriction is the Total pr of O2 present at a transit station,where if less than a certain pressure,then only 3 persons could fly on board in the Flight deck instead of 4.
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RE: Jumpseats In Cockpit

Sat Jul 07, 2012 7:00 pm

Quoting aar90 (Reply 14):
There is a software problem [not sure if it is AA or TSA or both] that prohibits AA from having two different configurations of 738 cockpit seats (we have 18 w/two jumpseats, the rest w/one jumpseat).

Good to know. Thanks for providing the explanation.
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RE: Jumpseats In Cockpit

Tue Jul 24, 2012 3:21 am

nipoel123

in the United States, at Delta Air Lines and Delta Connection, I am aware of the following flight deck jumpseat configurations:

DC-9: one
MD-88/MD-90: one
737-700/800: one
Airbus A320/A319: two
CRJ-200/700/900: one
Embraer E-175: one

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RE: Jumpseats In Cockpit

Tue Jul 24, 2012 10:20 pm

Quoting e38 (Reply 23):
nipoel123

in the United States, at Delta Air Lines and Delta Connection, I am aware of the following flight deck jumpseat configurations:

DC-9: one
MD-88/MD-90: one
737-700/800: one
Airbus A320/A319: two
CRJ-200/700/900: one
Embraer E-175: one

Spot on.

Although I have had to deny a jumpseater before because of an oxygen mask on the CR2. I've never seen someone so thrilled as to not have to jump on the CR2 before that guy lol.
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RE: Jumpseats In Cockpit

Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:27 am

Quoting e38 (Reply 23):
737-700/800: one
Airbus A320/A319

No plans on providing O2 mask to the 2nd SNY.
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RE: Jumpseats In Cockpit

Wed Jul 25, 2012 7:42 pm

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 29), "No plans on providing O2 mask to the 2nd SNY."

Aboard Delta Air Lines A319/A320 aircraft, there are oxygen masks provided for both flight deck jumpseat positions.

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RE: Jumpseats In Cockpit

Fri Jul 27, 2012 4:18 pm

CRJ Series - 1
ERJ Series - 1
EMB 170-190 - 1
B737 Series - 1
A320 Series - 2
A330-340 - 2
B 757 - 1
B 767 - 2
B 777 - 2

I have actually been in the secondary jumpseat on a few occasions, usually due to a Fed being in the primary jumpseat. I will tell you, the Feds tell some of the most interesting stories out there.
 
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RE: Jumpseats In Cockpit

Fri Jul 27, 2012 5:06 pm

Quoting apodino (Reply 27):
B737 Series - 1

As has been previously mentioned, this depends on airline configuration. Some have the second observer seat.

Quoting apodino (Reply 27):
B 757 - 1

Same here. Some airlines have two installed.

Quoting xjramper (Reply 24):
Although I have had to deny a jumpseater before because of an oxygen mask on the CR2. I've never seen someone so thrilled as to not have to jump on the CR2 before that guy lol.

If you ever get the idea to jumpseat on an ERJ....let that idea go. It makes the CR2 look nice. Extremely uncomfortable and very loud wind noise.
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RE: Jumpseats In Cockpit

Fri Jul 27, 2012 6:48 pm

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 28):

If you ever get the idea to jumpseat on an ERJ....let that idea go. It makes the CR2 look nice. Extremely uncomfortable and very loud wind noise.

  

That is the worst jumpseat I have ever been on.

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 28):


Quoting apodino (Reply 27):
B737 Series - 1

As has been previously mentioned, this depends on airline configuration. Some have the second observer seat.

I could see the second one on the 757 because the cockpit is more roomy, but with where the jumpseat is on the 737, where do they have room to put a second one?
 
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RE: Jumpseats In Cockpit

Sat Jul 28, 2012 8:03 pm

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 28):
If you ever get the idea to jumpseat on an ERJ....let that idea go. It makes the CR2 look nice. Extremely uncomfortable and very loud wind noise.

I have no plans on making use of the CRJ/ERJ145 any time soon. I'm 6'7"  
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RE: Jumpseats In Cockpit

Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:02 pm

Quoting apodino (Reply 29):
I could see the second one on the 757 because the cockpit is more roomy, but with where the jumpseat is on the 737, where do they have room to put a second one?
Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 2):
But on the B737 there are Two Supernumery/Jumpseats,one behind the Captain & one Front of the Cockpit door.

The 757s with 1 jumpseat are terribly cramped. I've never been on one with 2.
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RE: Jumpseats In Cockpit

Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:31 pm

Quoting apodino (Reply 29):
but with where the jumpseat is on the 737, where do they have room to put a second one?

To the left of the first observer's seat (which is essentially in the doorway next to the P61 panel), there is a raised platform where a second seat can be installed. You have to be very comfortable with the person next to you if you're willing to sit there.
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RE: Jumpseats In Cockpit

Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:07 am

Quoting e38 (Reply 26):
Aboard Delta Air Lines A319/A320 aircraft, there are oxygen masks provided for both flight deck jumpseat positions.


was reffering to the B737.

Quoting apodino (Reply 27):
B 757 - 1
Quoting doug_Or (Reply 31):

The 757s with 1 jumpseat are terribly cramped. I've never been on one with 2.

why was the 2nd seat not used.......On the Freighter it can be 2 to 5 jump seats  
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RE: Jumpseats In Cockpit

Tue Jul 31, 2012 10:21 am

2 Jump Seats on a 747-400F, one behind the center console, centered between the captain and copilot seat. The second is behind the captains seat, to the left of the first one.

So people have been commenting about these torture seats, any pictures?
 
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RE: Jumpseats In Cockpit

Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:57 am

Quoting ak907 (Reply 34):
So people have been commenting about these torture seats, any pictures?

No pics but, the ones I have tried aren't bad but I wouldn't want to sit in them for more than an hour or two. Haven't tried any widebody seats but I expect they are better than the narrowbody ones.

A couple of memories:
- The MD-8x jumpseat (comes out of the wall just in front of the door) has spring loaded foot rests that come out from the sides of the center pedestal. If you inadvertently move your foot off they snap up with a very loud "CLANG!!!" Don't try this on final I guess.
- The Avro RJ jumpseat must have been designed by someone with a great sense of humor. It is folded up behind the F/O's seat. In order to get into it, you must stand right behind the pedestal, put your hands on the glareshield and (I kid you not) lean so that you are hanging over the center pedestal. At this point it should be noted that the Avro RJ flight deck does not exactly have a high ceiling. Once you are planking like this, the first officer can awkwardly twist back and unfold the seat behind you. Once that is done you need to put all your weight on your toes as you slowly and carefully lean backwards and sit down. On the plus side, the view is great.
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Wed Aug 01, 2012 1:32 am

The 737 jumpseat is unfolded from the P61 panel (to the right of the aisleway just forward of the flight deck door). The seat tilts down once unlocked, with the left edge resting on a small ledge. The back is then tilted up and extended (the back has telescoping tubes as its structure), and it is hooked to the wall on each side to secure it. Then the headrest is unfolded(on the NG, at least), the 5-point harness is buckled, and the physical torture begins.


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The plane in this photo actually looks like it has the second observer's seat option (on the right edge of the photo).
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RE: Jumpseats In Cockpit

Wed Aug 01, 2012 4:48 am

B727 have 2 jumpseats. The forward one is very hard to sit in especially if the captain sits far away from the controls. The aft one has decent leg room but has horrible forward visibility. Prepare yourself for hours of watching the FE do nothing when you have the aft jumpseat. The worst jumpseat I have ever been on is a Falcon 20. Awful is a nice way to describe it.

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RE: Jumpseats In Cockpit

Thu Aug 02, 2012 1:01 am

Quoting FlyMKG (Reply 37):
B727 have 2 jumpseats. The forward one is very hard to sit in especially if the captain sits far away from the controls. The aft one has decent leg room but has horrible forward visibility. Prepare yourself for hours of watching the FE do nothing when you have the aft jumpseat. The worst jumpseat I have ever been on is a Falcon 20. Awful is a nice way to describe it.

If you think the jump seat on a Falcon 20 is awful, then try sitting in the jump seat of a Lockheed JetStar for a few hours, then you will know what awful really means.

The jump seat on the JetsStar in its stowed position folds up flat against the cabin side of the bulkhead behind the pilots seat. This is the only picture I found of the jump seat, you can see it in the doorway on the bulkhead on the left side folded up flat against the bulkhead.


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To use the seat, first you remove the locking pin that holds the seat flat against the bulkhead allowing the seat to swing out and unfold down to the normal position. Using the same locking pin then you insert it into a hole on the right seat frame that locks into another hole in the frame assembly attached to the bulkhead behind the co-pilots seat. There is only about 2 feet of space where you can extend your legs out because the cockpit center console takes up all the remaining space, there is no room to stretch out your legs between the center console and the pilots seats because their seats are up against the center console so you basically sat with your knees in a semi folded position.

There is no real back support, the back side of the jump seat is 90 degrees to the bottom cushion, did not recline and is only about 16 inches high. There is no shoulder harness for the seat, all you had was a lap belt, remember the JetStar was certified in 1962 and the oxygen mask, both the same quick donning mask the pilots use and the oxygen regulator for the seat was mounted behind the co-pilots seat on the cockpit side of the bulkhead

The only good thing about this design is after takeoff you could pull out the locking pin that holds the seat in position and swing the seat away so you can sit somewhat sideways and extend you legs out, the JetStar luggage compartment was just opposite the air stair door, if the luggage compartment was half or more empty then you could stretch out into the luggage compartment, but if it was full then that limited your legroom.

I spent many hours in that jump seat, sometimes on longer flights I would do the Jeppesen revisions that the pilots were supposed to do, but to keep from being bored I did it for them.

There was no heat in the entrance way, so sometimes it would get cold sitting in the jump seat which was only 2 feet or so from the fuselage door, the airstairs rolled back aft when retracted because the main cabin door was considered an emergency exit, so there was a sliding curtain to cover the entrance door to keep the cold air around the cabin door out of the entrance way.

This area made a good refrigerator, because we did not have trans continental range, we would stop westbound in Kansas for fuel and some of the FBO’s there gave out frozen NY strip steaks, 2 steaks for each 500 gallons of fuel purchased. We would normally take on just over 2000 or so gallons so it meant 8 steaks for us. We did not want the passengers to see us with the steaks, either for them to pull rank and claim them for themselves or to question us as to why we got them in the first place. I would put the box of steaks against the cabin door and close the sliding curtain, they stayed frozen there until we reached our destination where I could then bury them deep in the ice box to keep them frozen for the rest of the trip.

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RE: Jumpseats In Cockpit

Thu Aug 02, 2012 3:04 am

Quoting JETSTAR (Reply 39):
This area made a good refrigerator, because we did not have trans continental range, we would stop westbound in Kansas for fuel and some of the FBO’s there gave out frozen NY strip steaks, 2 steaks for each 500 gallons of fuel purchased.

We hit one of those FBO's with a large twin a while back while hunting winds...we took something like 15,000 gallons. It was a lot of steak.

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RE: Jumpseats In Cockpit

Thu Aug 02, 2012 4:13 am

Quoting JETSTAR (Reply 39):
This area made a good refrigerator

I've only hitched a ride on one of our Falcon 20 freighters once, but the jumpseat was freezing cold. Boarding in LRD in mid August and having both pilots get sweatshirts out of their bags to give to me was quite a surprise. By the time we got to cruise I had both of the sweatshirts on.

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RE: Jumpseats In Cockpit

Thu Aug 02, 2012 5:15 pm

Just for your information, the trip report with the jumpseat ride is now up:
Canada2012 Part 1: Jumpseats & Fourholers. KL In Y (by nipoel123 Aug 1 2012 in Trip Reports)
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