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Mon Jul 16, 2012 12:24 pm

Hey All,

Just a few questions about this flight.

Does the 747 serving LAX-JFK-LAX originate in SYD or BNE?

How does the crew pattern work on it? Do the cabin crew still do a LAX-JFK return? Or have they started slipping in JFK? Do the crew stay in Manhattan or elsewhere?
 
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Mon Jul 16, 2012 12:48 pm

Is it back to a 744? I know they had downgauged this sector to a 330.
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Mon Jul 16, 2012 12:54 pm

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 1):
Is it back to a 744? I know they had downgauged this sector to a 330.

It was reverted back to a 747 starting in May. They cut their AKL-LAX route, leaving no A330 available in LAX to operate the route so they had to switch it.
 
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Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:19 pm

Quoting bastew (Thread starter):
Does the 747 serving LAX-JFK-LAX originate in SYD or BNE?

The flight was operated by the aircraft originating from SYD but I've noticed there is an aircraft change in LAX utilizing the QF15 aircraft...

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Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:58 pm

If there is an aircraft swap it always occurs on the outbound QF107 rather than the inbound QF108 sector.

Stats for this month courtesy of: http://theqantassource.com/qfflighttracker.html show the same
aircraft operating SYD-LAX-JFK on 6/15 days and the Brisbane originating aircraft operating LAX-JFK
on 9/15 days. There doesn't seem to be any day of the week pattern to this.


01/07/2012 QF107 Sydney Los Angeles VH-OJQ B747-400 14F/52J/32W/255Y
01/07/2012 QF107 Los Angeles New York JFK VH-OJL B747-400 14F/52J/32W/255Y

02/07/2012 QF107 Sydney Los Angeles VH-OEH B747-400 58J/36W/270Y
02/07/2012 QF107 Los Angeles New York JFK VH-OEH B747-400 58J/36W/270Y

03/07/2012 QF107 Sydney Los Angeles VH-OEB B747-400 14F/66J/40W/187Y
03/07/2012 QF107 Los Angeles New York JFK VH-OJT B747-400 14F/52J/32W/255Y

04/07/2012 QF107 Sydney Los Angeles VH-OJM B747-400 14F/52J/32W/255Y
04/07/2012 QF107 Los Angeles New York JFK VH-OJM B747-400 14F/52J/32W/255Y

05/07/2012 QF107 Sydney Los Angeles VH-OJG B747-400 14F/52J/32W/255Y
05/07/2012 QF107 Los Angeles New York JFK VH-OEJ B747-400 58J/36W/270Y

06/07/2012 QF107 Sydney Los Angeles VH-OJL B747-400 14F/52J/32W/255Y
06/07/2012 QF107 Los Angeles New York JFK VH-OEB B747-400 14F/66J/40W/187Y

07/07/2012 QF107 Sydney Los Angeles VH-OEH B747-400 58J/36W/270Y
07/07/2012 QF107 Los Angeles New York JFK VH-OJQ B747-400 14F/52J/32W/255Y

08/07/2012 QF107 Sydney Los Angeles VH-OEB B747-400 14F/66J/40W/187Y
08/07/2012 QF107 Los Angeles New York JFK VH-OJG B747-400 14F/52J/32W/255Y

09/07/2012 QF107 Sydney Los Angeles VH-OJH B747-400 14F/52J/32W/255Y
09/07/2012 QF107 Los Angeles New York JFK VH-OJH B747-400 14F/52J/32W/255Y

10/07/2012 QF107 Sydney Los Angeles VH-OJL B747-400 14F/52J/32W/255Y
10/07/2012 QF107 Los Angeles New York JFK VH-OJI B747-400 56J/40W/275Y

11/07/2012 QF107 Sydney Los Angeles VH-OJH B747-400 14F/52J/32W/255Y
11/07/2012 QF107 Los Angeles New York JFK VH-OEB B747-400 14F/66J/40W/187Y

12/07/2012 QF107 Sydney Los Angeles VH-OJI B747-400 56J/40W/275Y
12/07/2012 QF107 Los Angeles New York JFK VH-OJI B747-400 56J/40W/275Y

13/07/2012 QF107 Sydney Los Angeles VH-OEJ B747-400 58J/36W/270Y
13/07/2012 QF107 Los Angeles New York JFK VH-OJH B747-400 14F/52J/32W/255Y

14/07/2012 QF107 Sydney Los Angeles VH-OJG B747-400 14F/52J/32W/255Y
14/07/2012 QF107 Los Angeles New York JFK VH-OJG B747-400 14F/52J/32W/255Y

15/07/2012 QF107 Sydney Los Angeles VH-OJM B747-400 14F/52J/32W/255Y
15/07/2012 QF107 Los Angeles New York JFK VH-OJM B747-400 14F/52J/32W/255Y
 
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Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:08 pm

That's a great way to get to SYD from London.

Fly to JFK, couple of nights in Manhattan then onto LAX for a couple of nights in Santa Monica and then down to SYD.

How much fun would that be if one has to do the Kangaroo jaunt.

Typically though I bet that option costs an arm and a leg and with no cooperation between BA and QF to provide it.
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Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:11 pm

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 5):
Fly to JFK, couple of nights in Manhattan then onto LAX for a couple of nights in Santa Monica and then down to SYD.

You can't fly JFK-LAX on QF then spend a couple of nights in Los Angeles, you have to be connecting onto a QF flight.
 
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Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:16 pm

Quoting poLOT (Reply 6):
You can't fly JFK-LAX on QF then spend a couple of nights in Los Angeles, you have to be connecting onto a QF flight

Actually you can! Stop overs are permitted @ LAX, but you MUST have an onward ticket and the stop over obviously cannot exceed 12 months from when you left LON, possibly there are is now a shorter time limit.

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Mon Jul 16, 2012 3:48 pm

Quoting gemuser (Reply 7):
Actually you can! Stop overs are permitted @ LAX, but you MUST have an onward ticket and the stop over obviously cannot exceed 12 months from when you left LON, possibly there are is now a shorter time limit.

That's interesting. It makes sense but I've never heard of that being allowed. I'm also guessing you can connect on another airline that codeshares with QF as long as YOU are booked on QF? For instatnce, if I wanted to go JFK-LAX-KUL on QF and MH, I could?
 
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Mon Jul 16, 2012 4:05 pm

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 5):

NZ technically allows you to do that. Fly LHR-LAX, spend a few nights in LA. Then you do LAX-AKL and from there connect to wherever in the South Pacific.
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Mon Jul 16, 2012 4:11 pm

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 9):

NZ technically allows you to do that. Fly LHR-LAX, spend a few nights in LA. Then you do LAX-AKL and from there connect to wherever in the South Pacific.

NZ sells LHR-LAX, so you can do whatever you want. The difference is QF can't sell JFK-LAX.

If you want to visit LAX and NYC on your way to SYD, you can also do it via EWR/LAX on UA and JFK/LAX on DL.
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Mon Jul 16, 2012 4:14 pm

For QF its only "Online Connection and Stopover Permitted".
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Mon Jul 16, 2012 6:05 pm

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 10):
The difference is QF can't sell JFK-LAX.

So can I book JFK-LAX-SYD on QF and get off in LAX for a few nights ?

You're all telling me different things ?

  
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Mon Jul 16, 2012 7:29 pm

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 12):
Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 10):
The difference is QF can't sell JFK-LAX.

So can I book JFK-LAX-SYD on QF and get off in LAX for a few nights ?

You're all telling me different things ?

QF can only sell JFK-LAX-SYD with a stopover . NZ can sell LHR-LAX-AKL with a stopover or as separate tickets. It makes a difference with fare structures, but is relatively seamless to the passenger.
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Mon Jul 16, 2012 9:25 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 11):
For QF its only "Online Connection and Stopover Permitted"

Interestingly enough it appears that limiting this to an "online connection & stopover" is a QF imposed condition, rather than a limitation imposed by the Australia/USA bilateral treaty.
So spiritair97(reply 8) while you could legally do JFK-LAX-KUL QF have decided they won't sell tickets for such a trip, presumably for commercial reasons. Which is a pity, especially as they did back in the 1960/70s, although it was JFK/IDL-SFO back then.
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Tue Jul 17, 2012 11:25 pm

[quote=gemuser,reply=7]Actually you can! Stop overs are permitted @ LAX, but you MUST have an onward ticket[/quote

I just wanted to highlight the correct information (above). The onward flight must be QF operated. It does not have to be the same day - to sure about a maximum stay.
 
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Tue Jul 17, 2012 11:58 pm

Quoting gemuser (Reply 14):
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 11):
For QF its only "Online Connection and Stopover Permitted"

Interestingly enough it appears that limiting this to an "online connection & stopover" is a QF imposed condition, rather than a limitation imposed by the Australia/USA bilateral treaty.
So spiritair97(reply 8) while you could legally do JFK-LAX-KUL QF have decided they won't sell tickets for such a trip, presumably for commercial reasons. Which is a pity, especially as they did back in the 1960/70s, although it was JFK/IDL-SFO back then.

What wording are you referring to in the Australia-USA bilateral? The entire bilateral only applies to air services that include both the U.S. and Australia in the routing, so a routing like JFK-LAX-KUL has nothing to do with the U.S.-Australia bilateral but is governed by the U.S.-Malaysia bilateral. Please clarify your interpretation. I looked at the current U.S.-Australia Open Skies Agreement and can't see anything that would lead to that interpretation. It permits unlimited 5th freedom rights but the agreement, by definition, has no application unless both the U.S. and Australia are included in the routing.
 
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Wed Jul 18, 2012 2:15 am

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 5):
That's a great way to get to SYD from London.

Fly to JFK, couple of nights in Manhattan then onto LAX for a couple of nights in Santa Monica and then down to SYD.

How much fun would that be if one has to do the Kangaroo jaunt.

Also, for a Brit, a lot easier acclimating to time-zones going west like that and stopping for a couple days at a time along the way. A lot to be said for staying up a little later each day and sleeping in as long as possible instead of the other way around!
 
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Wed Jul 18, 2012 8:20 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 16):
The entire bilateral only applies to air services that include both the U.S. and Australia in the routing, so a routing like JFK-LAX-KUL has nothing to do with the U.S.-Australia bilateral but is governed by the U.S.-Malaysia bilateral

Normally true, but we are talking about a US domestic sector being operated by an Australian airline. The Australia/US bilateral would apply to that sector and the Malaysia/US bilateral to the LAX-KUL sector.
Where it gets really interesting and murky is that interface between the two sectors. The conditions under which QF can carry pax between LAX & JFK very definitely falls under the Australia/US bilateral. [BTW do you have a link to the text of the current Aust/US bi-lateral? I have not been able to find one. In fact as far as my researches go I cannot confirm that the so called Open Skies agreement was ever signed, even though it is in operation.]
I am led to believe that such conditions are not explicitly spelt out, but not having seen the text I can't say for sure.

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Wed Jul 18, 2012 4:24 pm

Quoting gemuser (Reply 18):
Normally true, but we are talking about a US domestic sector being operated by an Australian airline. The Australia/US bilateral would apply to that sector and the Malaysia/US bilateral to the LAX-KUL sector.
Where it gets really interesting and murky is that interface between the two sectors. The conditions under which QF can carry pax between LAX & JFK very definitely falls under the Australia/US bilateral. [BTW do you have a link to the text of the current Aust/US bi-lateral? I have not been able to find one. In fact as far as my researches go I cannot confirm that the so called Open Skies agreement was ever signed, even though it is in operation.]
I am led to believe that such conditions are not explicitly spelt out, but not having seen the text I can't say for sure.

I would assume (just personal assumption), that QF has no interest selling JFK-LAX to passengers connecting to international flights on other airlines. Even if it is allowed, if mistakes happen and the DOT finds out that QF is violating it’s cabotage restrictions, then the fine would negate any benefits of the increased revenue from JFK-LAX. The DOT has fined airlines in the past for carrying passengers between domestic points. I believe the last fine was to Asiana for Guam-ICN-US Mainland connections.
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Wed Jul 18, 2012 10:03 pm

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 19):
I would assume (just personal assumption), that QF has no interest selling JFK-LAX to passengers connecting to international flights on other airlines

A fair assumption, sans any specific information.
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Wed Jul 18, 2012 10:36 pm

Quoting gemuser (Reply 18):
BTW do you have a link to the text of the current Aust/US bi-lateral? I have not been able to find one.

It's in the U.S. State Department website containing their bilaterals. First link here.
http://www.state.gov/e/eb/rls/othr/ata/a/as/index.htm
 
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Thu Jul 19, 2012 2:20 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 21):

It's in the U.S. State Department website containing their bilaterals

Thanks

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RE: Questions Regarding Qantas LAX-JFK Flights.

Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:46 pm

Just did dummy bookings for three, six, and nine months out and every time it shows up First non-existent US-SYD and severely limited SYD-US. What's up with that? Is it because of the rotation?

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