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Gulfstream V Operated By Single Pilot

Thu Jul 19, 2012 6:07 am

How difficult would it be for a single pilot (in other words, without a co-pilot) to fully operate a Gulfstream V in all phases of flight, such as takeoff, cruise, and landing? Would the workload be overwhelming, or would this be a fairly manageable job for an experienced pilot?
 
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RE: Gulfstream V Operated By Single Pilot

Thu Jul 19, 2012 7:46 am

As long as everything was working properly, weather was good, etc., it shouldn't be too difficult. But throw complications into the mix and things could get overwhelming pretty quickly.

And flying single-pilot wouldn't be legal, of course, since two pilots are required for that aircraft.

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RE: Gulfstream V Operated By Single Pilot

Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:39 pm

The G V is very automated and workload relatively light. One guy could easily fly it around the pattern. Nice to have 2 guys when things start to break but how often does this happen, really?

The big advantage to having 2 guys comes when operating to/from busy terminal airspace. The non-flying pilot is actually much busier than the flying pilot in this environment....radios, checklists, understanding last-minute ATC changes. All very important to mind while the other guy has the fairly simple task of flying the plane.

Also, the G V is designed to fly 6000nm. One pilot doing this?
 
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RE: Gulfstream V Operated By Single Pilot

Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:53 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 1):
As long as everything was working properly, weather was good, etc., it shouldn't be too difficult. But throw complications into the mix and things could get overwhelming pretty quickly.

Agreed. Now throw in a systems malfunction or minimum IFR conditions at the arrival airport at the end of a 10 hour trans Atlantic flight......
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RE: Gulfstream V Operated By Single Pilot

Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:12 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 1):
And flying single-pilot wouldn't be legal, of course, since two pilots are required for that aircraft.

The G-V can be certified for single-pilot operations.
http://www.aircharterserviceusa.com/Large-Aircraft/G-V-SP/index.php
 
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RE: Gulfstream V Operated By Single Pilot

Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:28 pm

Quoting AJ (Reply 4):
The G-V can be certified for single-pilot operations.
http://www.aircharterserviceusa.com/...x.php

That looks to be a mistake. Further down the page mentions a flight crew of two. Additionally, according to the type certificate data sheet, which can be found here http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/docs/a12ea.pdf , on page 29 it mentions a minimum crew of 2 (pilot & copilot).

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RE: Gulfstream V Operated By Single Pilot

Thu Jul 19, 2012 11:12 pm

The G V and all other jets of this variety cannot be flown single-pilot despite what a website or uninformed person might say. The type certificate requires 2 pilots.

Some variants of the CE 500 and most VLJs are jets that can be flown single pilot, but this is an entirely different animal.
 
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RE: Gulfstream V Operated By Single Pilot

Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:14 am

Not get too far off topic, but would someone in the know please tell what is the largest private jet than can be operated by a single pilot? IIRC it is a Cessna CJ1? Thanks-
 
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RE: Gulfstream V Operated By Single Pilot

Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:52 am

Quoting n92r03 (Reply 7):
Not get too far off topic, but would someone in the know please tell what is the largest private jet than can be operated by a single pilot? IIRC it is a Cessna CJ1? Thanks-

The CJs are all single-pilot aircraft, so the biggest is the CJ4. The Phenom 300 is about the same size as the CJ4, and is approved for single-pilot as well.

I can say that even in a CJ, things can get very busy very quickly if conditions are right. Short legs (less than 20nm), for instance, are killers, even for two pilots.

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RE: Gulfstream V Operated By Single Pilot

Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:23 am

Quoting n92r03 (Reply 7):
Not get too far off topic, but would someone in the know please tell what is the largest private jet than can be operated by a single pilot? IIRC it is a Cessna CJ1? Thanks-

There are a few Sukhoi Su-27 Flankers and English Electric Lightning about, both are around 20t aircraft.
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RE: Gulfstream V Operated By Single Pilot

Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:38 am

Quoting zeke (Reply 9):
Quoting n92r03 (Reply 7):
Not get too far off topic, but would someone in the know please tell what is the largest private jet than can be operated by a single pilot? IIRC it is a Cessna CJ1? Thanks-

There are a few Sukhoi Su-27 Flankers and English Electric Lightning about, both are around 20t aircraft.

Heh. The F-111 is 37+ tonnes and is a one-pilot aircraft. But I don't think there are any privately operated ones.

For that matter, the F-14 is 33+ tonnes and is a one-pilot aircraft.
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RE: Gulfstream V Operated By Single Pilot

Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:50 am

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 10):

I know of 2 SU-27s that are privately owed in the US, and some English Electric Lightnings privately owned in South Africa.
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RE: Gulfstream V Operated By Single Pilot

Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:51 am

Cessna has an exemption to allow some Citation 550s and 560s to fly single pilot operations. Not many people do that, because of the additional FAA requirements, and the insurance costs.
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RE: Gulfstream V Operated By Single Pilot

Fri Jul 20, 2012 12:37 pm

Quoting zeke (Reply 11):
Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 10):

I know of 2 SU-27s that are privately owed in the US, and some English Electric Lightnings privately owned in South Africa.

AFAIK they stopped flying the Lightnings after the accident in 2009.
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RE: Gulfstream V Operated By Single Pilot

Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:03 pm

Quoting CitationJet (Reply 12):
Cessna has an exemption to allow some Citation 550s and 560s to fly single pilot operations.

Here is a link to simulator training that is available for the Model 550 (Bravo) single pilot training.
http://simulator.com/jet-course-content/cessna-citation/single-pilot

The single pilot exemption for the Citation 550 and 560 is FAA Exemption 4050. I cannot find the FAA's version, but here is a link to the Austrailian CAA that defines the FAA's exemption.
http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/F2009L01175
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RE: Gulfstream V Operated By Single Pilot

Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:18 pm

Quoting 26point2 (Reply 2):
Also, the G V is designed to fly 6000nm. One pilot doing this?

For a 6000nm journey, how many pilots would be on the flight? 4? And after how many hours would they switch in the cockpit?
 
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RE: Gulfstream V Operated By Single Pilot

Sun Jul 22, 2012 9:35 pm

Somewhat off the G-V topic, but the NASA G2 Shuttle Training Aircraft were flown single pilot as one side of the flight deck was the G-2 flight deck while the other side was for the Space Shuttle. I forget which side was which, but I'm thinking the left seat was the Shuttle.
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