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How Are Interior Fittings Done?

Fri Jul 20, 2012 5:51 pm

Since exterior paintings of airliners are sometimes done by Boeing as well as by various paint shops at different parts of the country, I'm curious as to how they do interior fittings such as seats, carpets, lavatories, galleys, etc.. for new aircraft.

For example, If you want seats installed, does the seat manufacturer send the seats to Boeing and have Boeing employees complete the process or does the airline fly the aircraft to the seat manufacturer's location and have them do it? Or could it be that the seat manufacturer sends the supply of seats to Boeing and have their own people (seat manufacturer's ) do it?

Would it be fair to say that a US airline would never send the aircraft to have the interior fittings done, as it would be cost prohibitive? Also in terms of schedule, are the fittings done after the exterior painting is done or does it make any difference?


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RE: How Are Interior Fittings Done?

Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:43 pm

Quoting contrails67 (Thread starter):
Since exterior paintings of airliners are sometimes done by Boeing as well as by various paint shops at different parts of the country

I would say the percentage of new Boeing planes that aren't painted by Boeing is extremely small.

Quoting contrails67 (Thread starter):
For example, If you want seats installed, does the seat manufacturer send the seats to Boeing and have Boeing employees complete the process

Yes.


Interior before exterior paint is the normal process.

At 1:40 it shows the seats being installed on a 737, followed by the paint shop.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oz5UnohwstQ&feature=youtu.be
 
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RE: How Are Interior Fittings Done?

Fri Jul 20, 2012 10:25 pm

Most initial interior installations are done by Airbus and Boeing at the factory.

I believe British Airways take delivery of new 777-300ERs with only World Traveller (Economy) seating installed. The FIRST and Club World seating are installed by BA Engineering at their Cardiff facility.

Once a plane has been delivered, all future interior refurbishment or upgrades are usually handled by the airline at either their own facility or an MRO

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RE: How Are Interior Fittings Done?

Sat Jul 21, 2012 12:48 am

Quoting contrails67 (Thread starter):
For example, If you want seats installed, does the seat manufacturer send the seats to Boeing and have Boeing employees complete the process or does the airline fly the aircraft to the seat manufacturer's location and have them do it?

Either is possible but the former is far more common (if you do the seats yourself, you take on the risk of installing and testing the IFE yourself as well, which is *not* something an airline wants to do if they can help it).

Quoting contrails67 (Thread starter):
Or could it be that the seat manufacturer sends the supply of seats to Boeing and have their own people (seat manufacturer's ) do it?

I suspect the IAM would freak out if they tried this; all major vendors, including seats, have on-site reps at the OEM's to help out troubleshoot and address any defects but, normally, it's the OEM's people doing the installation.

Quoting contrails67 (Thread starter):
Would it be fair to say that a US airline would never send the aircraft to have the interior fittings done, as it would be cost prohibitive?

Nor really. Compared to the cost of a new aircraft, and the cost of the interior, a single flight to move the airplane really isn't a big deal (aircraft were designed, above all else, to move from point A to B as cheaply as possible).

Quoting contrails67 (Thread starter):
Also in terms of schedule, are the fittings done after the exterior painting is done or does it make any difference?

Before, normally. You do it on the final assembly line when you can and that's always pre-paint. Fixes, troubleshooting, travelled work, and especially IFE troubleshooting and final media load usually takes place on the flightline (post-paint).

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RE: How Are Interior Fittings Done?

Sat Jul 21, 2012 2:16 am

It depends on the airplane, but there is a catalog that airlines pick their interiors from. They can go beyond the catalog and basically anything is possible, but going outside the catalog will cost an airline extra money.

For the 787, Boeing has a gallery where airlines can go through all the different standard options that they can choose from. All the basic seat offerings from all the vendors are in a large room and airline managers can pick them right there. They also have all the coffee pots, galley equipment, crew rests, etc

The interiors are almost always installed originally by Boeing. Some airlines have their own staff install interiors, but that is rare. The only common exception are BBJs which are typically furnished by a contract company.

A standard 3 color livery is included in the price of the airplane. If an airline wants more colors, they have to pay extra, but the vast majority of liveries in the world are three colors excluding logos.
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RE: How Are Interior Fittings Done?

Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:51 pm

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 4):
It depends on the airplane, but there is a catalog that airlines pick their interiors from. They can go beyond the catalog and basically anything is possible, but going outside the catalog will cost an airline extra money.

Some airlines take it a step further and immediately refit portions of the cabin using an aftermarket reconfiguration company such as Heath Tecna, Flight Structures or Northwest Aerospace Technologies.

Companies like this can sometimes react quicker and cheaper than the OEM when changes are desired long after the order is placed.
 
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RE: How Are Interior Fittings Done?

Tue Aug 07, 2012 4:16 pm

Quoting yeelep (Reply 1):

I would say the percentage of new Boeing planes that aren't painted by Boeing is extremely small.

The only aircraft that leave in green wrap are for certain VIP/Military customers. A few others (also VIP/Military) are delivered all-white or in some cases grey, but technically, that's "painted" by Boeing. It's extremely rare for an airline to take delivery of a completely unpainted plane from Boeing, though some schemes are incomplete when they leave and details might be applied later (like DY's tail decals, which are applied after delivery). Similarly, F9's decal tails are applied after delivery from Airbus, but the "Frontier" billboard is painted at the factory.

Quoting contrails67 (Thread starter):
Also in terms of schedule, are the fittings done after the exterior painting is done or does it make any difference?

Generally, before. On the 737, 767, 777, and 747 it's all done before unless the seats are not available. and was for the 757 and the older models before that.

Sometimes there is an issue with the seats having a problem - like the Koito seat debacle of a couple of years ago, where several 737s were sitting in storage here in Seattle because there were no seats for them after Koito was found to have falsified certain aspects of its safety compliance. Continental was a major Koito customer and several planes were stored for months as a result. A certain green-hued Asian carrier also had a problem with Koito seats on a trio of 777-300ERs, which were stored at Everett for a long time as a result of this issue.

It takes awhile to get the order for so many seats done, and if the plane gets built and the seats that are on hand can't be fitted, then you have to wait for new ones. Everything on the plane takes awhile to ramp up and it all comes together in a "just in time" way much like a Toyota factory produces things, if a key piece is missing, it really gums things up.

I believe that Koito did eventually rectify things for the 777s, but the CO 737s got seats from another manufacturer.

On the 787, I believe that now seats are being installed on models on the line, but the earlier build 787s in rework may or may not have had seats installed while on the production line (certainly the very early ones did not), and I have no idea about the CHS facility. However, the 787s in rework have "seat vans" - big metal containers full of interior fittings - coming and going all the time, which would suggest that interiors are being fitted during rework.

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