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Does AZA Have Deicing Equipment?

Fri Aug 17, 2012 1:43 am

I know it is a bit strange to talk about deicing in the Phoenix area, however, does AZA have deicing equipment? I know that PHX does, but what about AZA?
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RE: Does AZA Have Deicing Equipment?

Fri Aug 17, 2012 6:54 pm

Yes. G4 has a deicing cart. But it is a pain because it is a old cart and the airport is really strict about the deicing fluid. We would have to clean it up from the ramp after the flight pushed back.

It is not strange to ask about it in PHX, we do get cold here. The only airlines and vendors at PHX that have deicing equipment are WN, US, and Servisair. I think FedEx and UPS have some also.
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RE: Does AZA Have Deicing Equipment?

Sat Aug 18, 2012 9:49 am

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 1):
It is not strange to ask about it in PHX, we do get cold here. The only airlines and vendors at PHX that have deicing equipment are WN, US, and Servisair. I think FedEx and UPS have some also.

It's still strange to see them actually fire up the equipment. I think the last time I saw our deicing truck out and doing the rounds was New Years Day 2011. We had deicing logs placed in the flight deck in all the aircraft doing first bank departures. Don't think anyone actually requested it though.
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RE: Does AZA Have Deicing Equipment?

Sat Aug 18, 2012 6:12 pm

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 1):
Quoting wn676 (Reply 2):

Do we actually need deicing equipment here? I haven't seen temps here below 38 degrees F since I moved here
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RE: Does AZA Have Deicing Equipment?

Sat Aug 18, 2012 8:04 pm

Well no but overnight it does get colder then 38 degrees somedays, I have worked outside in 25 degrees (pretty cold for PHX). Frost will form on the wings and could delay first flights in the morning while the plane sits on the tarmac and the frost will melt off...
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RE: Does AZA Have Deicing Equipment?

Sat Aug 18, 2012 8:50 pm

Doesn't FLG have any deicing equipment up there in Northern Arizona? Are they ever used?
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RE: Does AZA Have Deicing Equipment?

Sun Aug 19, 2012 12:31 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 3):
Do we actually need deicing equipment here? I haven't seen temps here below 38 degrees F since I moved here

I was de-iced on an Alaska flight in Tucson last December. OAT was 40 something degrees with beautiful sunshine. There was a lot of frost on the wings, according to the flight deck, so the Delta ground folks sprayed us down. It's not uncommon to get frost here and in PHX in the winter.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 5):
Doesn't FLG have any deicing equipment up there in Northern Arizona? Are they ever used?

Considering it routinely snows in Flagstaff (elevation 7,000 feet) I'd say there's a very good probability of some de-icing equipment up there.
 
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RE: Does AZA Have Deicing Equipment?

Sun Aug 19, 2012 12:34 am

Quoting chrisair (Reply 6):

It doesn't snow that much in FLG.
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RE: Does AZA Have Deicing Equipment?

Sun Aug 19, 2012 3:45 am

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 7):
It doesn't snow that much in FLG.

What are you talking about? Average annual snowfall at Flagstaff Airport is 100.3 inches. Higher than Anchorage, Denver, Pueblo, Portland ME, Detroit, Salt Lake City and International Falls, MN.

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RE: Does AZA Have Deicing Equipment?

Sun Aug 19, 2012 3:57 am

Apparently this site doesn't like NWS links for some reason.

Here's the NWS data through 2002. If you want current stats, go to NWS Flagstaff's homepage and look it up there.

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RE: Does AZA Have Deicing Equipment?

Sun Aug 19, 2012 6:41 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 3):

Do we actually need deicing equipment here? I haven't seen temps here below 38 degrees F since I moved here

I've seen it snow at the airport. The Day After the Super Bowl (shudder)... very very small flakes and they melted almost instantly, but it was snow. Lasted about 5 minutes.

The coldest I've seen it is in the upper 20s. I remember one morning none of the Mesa CRJs could take off until the sun came up and melted the frost off the wings (as they don't/didn't have a contract with anyone for deicing).
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RE: Does AZA Have Deicing Equipment?

Tue Aug 21, 2012 1:32 am

Quoting chrisair (Reply 9):
Here's the NWS data through 2002.

You're giving me data from 2002 - 10 years ago. A lot has changed since then in FLG. The ski season on the Snowbowl isn't very long...at all!

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 10):
I've seen it snow at the airport. The Day After the Super Bowl (shudder)... very very small flakes and they melted almost instantly, but it was snow. Lasted about 5 minutes.

I saw that, too! I think this was in 2007. I was in Ahwatukee when it happened. I thought it was pretty cool!
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