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Employee Duty Time Limitations - Is It Present?

Tue Aug 21, 2012 10:20 am

EDTL - Employee Duty Time Limitations.
Similair to FDTL for the Flight crew...This deals with Duty limits on maintenance personnel, especially those working nights.

http://dgca.nic.in/circular/aac1_2012.pdf

Is anything similiar present out there in other Airlines.
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RE: Employee Duty Time Limitations - Is It Present?

Tue Aug 21, 2012 8:28 pm

Here in the ATC world we have something similiar.

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RE: Employee Duty Time Limitations - Is It Present?

Wed Aug 22, 2012 11:24 am

EDTL was long awaited in Maintenance due to the fact that many times Duty hrs stretched 12hrs + & at the end of a major check it could be 24-36hrs non stop...This can lead to errors.
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RE: Employee Duty Time Limitations - Is It Present?

Wed Aug 22, 2012 3:57 pm

I work 12 hour shifts (add another 30 minutes for handover to the next shiftleader) on the line, but on a five on five off base (five days 7 am to 7 pm, five off, then five nights 7 pm to 7 am, then five off and back to days), based on an average of 40 hours per week.
We know that this is not really legal as per the German interpretation of the European working hours directive, which allows for a maximum of 10 hours per day, but we all like those five days off to recover and get our systems changed to the other shift pattern, and as linies we have periods of standby inbetween. Additionally for me it allows me to fly over to DUB once a month for 5 days to visit my girlfriend without having to touch my annual leave.
But what I don´t like is if 12 hours turn into 15, 16 or 20 hou shifts. I know it can happen during AOG situaions, where you started the job and can´t really fairly hand it over to the next guy, who then has to sign for your work without having been present when it was done.
If it happens occasionaly I´m ok with it, especially if it is thze last day of the shift block, or I come to work later next day as to get enough sleep.
But I don´t like the company to count on massive overtime just to save on manpower (on a previous job whoever found a snag had to stay until it was fixed. Since our cargo operation was running almost exclusively at night the customer refused to pay for a dayshift, so there was no relief. I´ve done 40 hour shifts with this company).

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Fri Aug 24, 2012 4:22 am

Here in the states per the FAA you have to have at least four days off a month.
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RE: Employee Duty Time Limitations - Is It Present?

Fri Aug 24, 2012 11:27 am

Out here, we've had this for years....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_Time_Directive
 
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RE: Employee Duty Time Limitations - Is It Present?

Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:06 pm

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 3):
I´ve done 40 hour shifts with this company

Jan....how is 5 days on & 5 days off compared to the 5 nights on & 5 nights off....The latter would be tougher in my opinion.

36 hrs has been my highest so far,thanks to the ending days of a check C where the job needs to be completed on schedule.But Im glad EDTL has been implemented,it has made things more easier from the Stress angle especially with rising Age.
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Mon Sep 03, 2012 8:07 am

Working all nights is easy IF you keep your schedule on days off. I only work nights and I work 12 hr shifts 5PM-5AM and on my days off I wake up at the same time as if i was working and I go to bed at the same time, so my day never really varies. Actually I find it easier than working a day shift since it's much easier to wake up at 3 PM than 3AM
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RE: Employee Duty Time Limitations - Is It Present?

Thu Sep 06, 2012 7:21 pm

Quoting YYZatcboy (Reply 7):
I only work nights and I work 12 hr shifts 5PM-5AM

How many nights in a forthnight.
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RE: Employee Duty Time Limitations - Is It Present?

Sat Sep 08, 2012 12:29 am

7 nights in 2 weeks (roughly) 12 hr shifts mean we work about 15 days a month. Depending on how i schedule my time I could work anywhere from 5 on 2 off to a much quieter schedule.
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RE: Employee Duty Time Limitations - Is It Present?

Sat Sep 08, 2012 2:37 am

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 6):
36 hrs has been my highest so far,thanks to the ending days of a check C where the job needs to be completed on schedule

36 hours straight? Maybe on a road trip, even then I don't think it is wise or safe. Just to get out a C Check definitely not. We move a check like that every week. That is what other shifts are for. I MIGHT work four hours over, but it's only for the money. Usually for me when the overtime call comes around I pass. I like my job, but I really like not being there more.
 
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RE: Employee Duty Time Limitations - Is It Present?

Sat Sep 08, 2012 10:30 am

Quoting Dalmd88 (Reply 10):

36 hours straight? Maybe on a road trip, even then I don't think it is wise or safe.

Not the entire shift,but job had to be completed & it was not wise to hand over midway.....but I struggled to rest after those 36hrs for quite a few hrs thereafter....
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RE: Employee Duty Time Limitations - Is It Present?

Sun Sep 09, 2012 7:28 pm

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 11):
Quoting Dalmd88 (Reply 10):

36 hours straight? Maybe on a road trip, even then I don't think it is wise or safe.

Not the entire shift,but job had to be completed & it was not wise to hand over midway.....but I struggled to rest after those 36hrs for quite a few hrs thereafter....

Same for me. It is often unfair to let another pöerson sign for a job, where most work was done by you, so you´ll have to stay on until the job is finished.

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RE: Employee Duty Time Limitations - Is It Present?

Tue Sep 11, 2012 11:24 am

DTL simplified is for every night you work you get an off,for every two nights you work,you get two offs,you can work more than two nights at a stretch and not beyond 0800hrs.
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RE: Employee Duty Time Limitations - Is It Present?

Mon Nov 25, 2013 12:20 pm

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 12):
Same for me. It is often unfair to let another pöerson sign for a job, where most work was done by you, so you´ll have to stay on until the job is finished

Dont you have a work handover log....where you sign for what you have completed, and the rest gets taken care of by the reliever.
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RE: Employee Duty Time Limitations - Is It Present?

Sun Dec 01, 2013 3:39 am

We use a 4 on 4 off 12 hour shift pattern. Two days (06:00 - 18:00) followed by two nights (18:00 - 06:00) then 4 days off.
This way in an 8 day period we only ever do two nights.
 
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RE: Employee Duty Time Limitations - Is It Present?

Sun Dec 01, 2013 11:39 am

Quoting rmm (Reply 15):

Seems like a very relaxed pattern......Out here 12hrs....2on...2off or 1on...1off is prevalent.
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