dennys
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707s Non Stop Services Europe > Jo'Burg 1971-75 Q.

Sun Sep 30, 2012 7:05 pm

Hi ,
i noticed SN opretated 3 x week a Non Stop 707 services BRU -JNB . ( 1971 )
did BOAC / BA , LH , AZ , IB , OA , KL ever operate 707 or DC8 non STOP services on those days ?
I guess not .
Any comments wiill be more than welcome !
Thanks
dennys
 
citationjet
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RE: 707s Non Stop Services Europe > Jo'Burg 1971-75 Q.

Sun Sep 30, 2012 10:03 pm

This website should give you some old timetables:
http://timetableimages.com/ttimages/complete/complete.htm
http://timetableimages.com/ttimages/complete/complete.htm#Europe

LH was flying both 707s and 747s to JNB, but did not fly it non-stop in 1972:
http://timetableimages.com/ttimages/lh/lh72/lh72-13.jpg

IB did not fly non-stop in 1970:
http://timetableimages.com/ttimages/ib/ib70/ib70-01.jpg

KLM flew DC-8s only in 1971:
http://timetableimages.com/ttimages/kl/kl71/
Boeing Flown: 701,702,703;717;720;721,722;731,732,733,734,735,737,738,739;741,742,743,744,747SP;752,753;762,763;772,773.
 
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RE: 707s Non Stop Services Europe > Jo'Burg 1971-75 Q.

Sun Sep 30, 2012 10:59 pm

Can't recall any Europe-JNB nonstops using 707s or DC-8s. Especially northbound from JNB's high elevation and often high temperatures, I doubt the 707 or DC-8 would have been able to carry an economic payload on such a long nonstop sector. For example, JNB-LHR is further than SFO/LAX-LHR which were among the longer nonstops operated by the 4-engine narrowbodies, and those airports are all close to sea level.

El Al used the 707 on TLV-JNB nonstop but that's quite a bit shorter. And even there, the northbound flights always stopped at NBO if memory correct.

[Edited 2012-09-30 16:02:32]

[Edited 2012-09-30 16:03:17]
 
Clydenairways
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RE: 707s Non Stop Services Europe > Jo'Burg 1971-75 Q.

Mon Oct 01, 2012 12:51 pm

Quoting dennys (Thread starter):
Hi ,
i noticed SN opretated 3 x week a Non Stop 707 services BRU -JNB . ( 1971 )
did BOAC / BA , LH , AZ , IB , OA , KL ever operate 707 or DC8 non STOP services on those days ?
I guess not .
Any comments wiill be more than welcome !
Thanks
dennys

Technical stops may not have been published in a timetable.
 
timz
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RE: 707s Non Stop Services Europe > Jo'Burg 1971-75 Q.

Mon Oct 01, 2012 6:10 pm

AZ had a nonstop D8S FCO-JNB.

The 12/70 ABC says Sabena had an optional fuel stop at Luanda; the 1/70 and 2/71 OAGs show nothing but 1-stops on Sabena.
 
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RE: 707s Non Stop Services Europe > Jo'Burg 1971-75 Q.

Thu Oct 04, 2012 3:14 pm

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 3):
Technical stops may not have been published in a timetable.

I agree with that. The airline doesn't need to include the en-route fuel stop in its timetable making it look non-stop. They can just call it a 'direct flight'.

I flew in a 757 from LGW to Kenya once and it had to stop both ways to refuel.

However, didn't B. Cal fly their 707 non stop LGW to LAX?
and with that..cabin crew, seats for landing please.
 
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RE: 707s Non Stop Services Europe > Jo'Burg 1971-75 Q.

Thu Oct 04, 2012 9:58 pm

Quoting babybus (Reply 5):
However, didn't B. Cal fly their 707 non stop LGW to LAX?

As did Pan Am and TWA for years LHR-LAX. I flew both Pan Am and B. Cal 707s on those routes. The B. Cal trip was very soon after they started service. The aircraft looked like new as they had modified a few 707s for use on the U.S. routes with the then-new Boeing "widebody-look" interior with overhead bins replacing the old open racks and newly-designed wall and ceiling panels. By then Pan Am and TWA were both using the 747 on LHR-LAX.

http://www.british-caledonian.com/images/PBowell002.jpg

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