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Cabin Crew V Number Of Pax Ratios

Sat Oct 27, 2012 8:40 am

Hi all

Just returned from a wonderful week in Portugal.

Return journey was onboard a Monarch A321 (not the best not the worst).

A crew member was taken ill and was unable to return on the flight, as a result 14 pax were unable to travel and 40 minutes of chaos ensued.

Q. as the title asks, is their a ratio of cabin crew to pax or is more to do with in case of emergency, number of exits which have to be manned?

Thanks in advance.
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RE: Cabin Crew V Number Of Pax Ratios

Sat Oct 27, 2012 8:56 am

The rules are governed by both seats and doors. I would suspect that you were on an A321, if that is the case then you have to have 5 cabin crew if the load is over 200. The aircraft can fly back with 4 crew in exceptional circumstances, e.g. Crew being sick, but the load has to be 200 or less, it is 150 for a three crew operation with an A320. Regarding the A321 you need to have one crew member per set of doors. I hope this helps
 
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RE: Cabin Crew V Number Of Pax Ratios

Sat Oct 27, 2012 9:19 am

Min crew on A321 in the UK is 4 due to number of doors, most common to have 5 or regularly 6 however.
 
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RE: Cabin Crew V Number Of Pax Ratios

Sat Oct 27, 2012 10:16 am

So if 1 of 5 cabin was unable to operate then the load would have to be reduced to 200 so that the 1:50 ratio is observed.
 
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RE: Cabin Crew V Number Of Pax Ratios

Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:13 am

1:40 in Canada.


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RE: Cabin Crew V Number Of Pax Ratios

Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:24 am

And I believe 1:50 in the US but it is FA-to- seat ratio as opposed to FA-to-passenger ratio under EASA regulations.

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RE: Cabin Crew V Number Of Pax Ratios

Sun Oct 28, 2012 1:38 am

Quoting Larshjort (Reply 5):
And I believe 1:50 in the US but it is FA-to- seat ratio as opposed to FA-to-passenger ratio under EASA regulations.

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That's correct. For US carriers, it's 1 FA per 50 seats, occupied or empty.
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RE: Cabin Crew V Number Of Pax Ratios

Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:32 pm

1:50 in the UK I believe. Had it before where we boarded 200 passengers but had to wait for the last crew member to arrive before we could put the remaining passengers on. Standard Monarch crew is 2/5 for a 214Y Config.
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RE: Cabin Crew V Number Of Pax Ratios

Tue Oct 30, 2012 4:49 am

It's 1:36 FAs to seat in Australia, although I believe that some (at least) B737s are operating under a concession at 1:50.

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RE: Cabin Crew V Number Of Pax Ratios

Tue Oct 30, 2012 3:35 pm

Quoting SKC (Reply 6):
That's correct. For US carriers, it's 1 FA per 50 seats, occupied or empty.

See 14CFR121.391

http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx....1.1.7&idno=14#14:3.0.1.1.7.13.2.6
 
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RE: Cabin Crew V Number Of Pax Ratios

Tue Oct 30, 2012 9:17 pm

Quoting Tod (Reply 9):
See 14CFR121.391

http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx...3.2.6

By quoting me are you disputing what I said or confirming it?
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RE: Cabin Crew V Number Of Pax Ratios

Tue Oct 30, 2012 9:22 pm

Quoting SKC (Reply 10):
By quoting me are you disputing what I said or confirming it?

I believe he is confirming what you said, since your response is consistent with 14 CFR 121.391. FAA requirement is seating capacity, regardless of number of seats occupied for a given flight.
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RE: Cabin Crew V Number Of Pax Ratios

Wed Oct 31, 2012 3:48 pm

Quoting SKC (Reply 10):
By quoting me are you disputing what I said or confirming it?

Merely a confirmation.

I was wallowing in 14CFR all morning and it was an easy cut/paste for reference.
 
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RE: Cabin Crew V Number Of Pax Ratios

Wed Oct 31, 2012 5:08 pm

In the US, it's 1 FA for every 50 seats. However that doesn't include variable staffing levels on different carriers. For example on the sCO side of UA a 737-900 minimum staffing is 4, however if the load is over 100 and there is a meal service in Y (i.e. breakfast sandwich or cheeseburger) then a 5th FA is added to the trip.
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RE: Cabin Crew V Number Of Pax Ratios

Sat Nov 03, 2012 6:00 pm

Quoting YYZatcboy (Reply 4):
1:40 in Canada.

   1:40 in Canada, for aircraft with 20 seats or more. 19 seats and under no f/a is required. Also there are minimums based on doors, for example a 737 being operated in Canada would be 1 f/a per 40 pax, but with a minimum of 2 f/as due to the exit layout.

Also there are some exceptions out there to go slightly above the standard 1:40 on specific aircraft, such as Jazz operating their 50 seat Dash-8s and CRJs with one f/a.
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RE: Cabin Crew V Number Of Pax Ratios

Tue Nov 13, 2012 3:57 pm

Quoting gemuser (Reply 8):
It's 1:36 FAs to seat in Australia, although I believe that some (at least) B737s are operating under a concession at 1:50.

ZK registered aircraft. They can operate under the nz 1:50 pax ratio its most likely jetconnect. Although nobody is doing it ZK registered aircraft ARE allowed to operate domestic Aust.

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