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FedEx Feeder Crew Question

Tue Nov 27, 2012 5:51 pm

I've often wondered where FedEx feeder crews call 'home.' Here in GRR, FX sends C208's out to TVC, PLN, and CIU. Flights usually depart GRR between 0700 and 0730 local, and arrive back in GRR between 2000 and 2100 local. What does the pilot do during the day at these out stations? Do they make those outstations 'home', or in my example make GRR 'home'? Is GRR merely an overnight crash pad? Unlike mainline FX crews which may only be in hub cities (MEM, IND) a few hours each night, the feeder pilots have significant down time on both ends. I know there are many other examples like this across the FX network..... MKE for example sends C208's to CMX, ESC, IMT, RHI, and SAW.

Just curious.....
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RE: FedEx Feeder Crew Question

Tue Nov 27, 2012 5:57 pm

I've seen it work both ways, but in general pilots tend to be based at the "hub" while the airline maintains an apartment (or small house if the pilots are outstation based) with a beater car at the outstation. It will vary as these FedEx feeders are actaully operated by a variety of local partner airlines much in the same way as regional airlines operate in the passengers world.
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RE: FedEx Feeder Crew Question

Wed Nov 28, 2012 10:29 am

Wont FDTL rest be considered in between......
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RE: FedEx Feeder Crew Question

Wed Nov 28, 2012 2:13 pm

I have heard of those pilots finding some part time work at the out station. I makes sense bascially the flying is their commute there. With the money they make flying two flights a day they need the extra money. For the part time job to work the pilot would have to be based on the same flight every day of course which I think is the case. Anyone here of that? Do the pilots get put on one route only? Or does it depend how big the station is.
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RE: FedEx Feeder Crew Question

Wed Nov 28, 2012 6:46 pm

Mountain Air Cargo and others typically pay their pilots a salary. If they didn't, they would never be able to find pilots. From my experience they are based at whatever outstation they start their route in. They then fly to the hub, sit until morning and fly back out to the outstation. While they are sitting at the hub they are for all practical purposes, on duty. I don't know of any that maintain housing. You're on your own for that.

We handled a lot of cargo including UPS and DHL feeders back when I worked at an FBO and it wasn't uncommon for the smaller feeder companies to have an on-demand charter side of operation as well. It wasn't unusual for feeder pilots to do an on-demand run during the night since they had upwards of 8 hours in between feeder flights.
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RE: FedEx Feeder Crew Question

Wed Nov 28, 2012 6:46 pm

It depends, but for the most part pilots are assigned a regular route. I believe they are generally salaried, so its not like they're being paid less due to the lack of flight time (they're being paid less because the salary is low).
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RE: FedEx Feeder Crew Question

Wed Nov 28, 2012 11:06 pm

There are a number of FX feeder flights that leave IND, and return empty after they make their flights. Not sure if that is done at MEM.
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RE: FedEx Feeder Crew Question

Wed Sep 24, 2014 10:48 pm

At what size frame do freight feeders start going to 2-pliot crews?
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RE: FedEx Feeder Crew Question

Wed Sep 24, 2014 11:30 pm

Is the OP just talking about the Caravan pilots or all FedEx Feeder crews?

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 7):
At what size frame do freight feeders start going to 2-pliot crews?

Probably the ATR. I think its the next size up on the FedEx fleet. Then I guess the 757 is next?
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RE: FedEx Feeder Crew Question

Thu Sep 25, 2014 10:40 am

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 7):
At what size frame do freight feeders start going to 2-pliot crews?

The ATR might be a little too heavy an airframe for single pilot, but I do know that in Alaska, they are flying E-120 cargo conversions as single pilot.
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RE: FedEx Feeder Crew Question

Thu Sep 25, 2014 1:25 pm

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 8):
Then I guess the 757 is next?

The 757 is mainline and not a feeder aircraft. The C208 and ATR's are the only FedEx feeder aircraft in the fleet.

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RE: FedEx Feeder Crew Question

Thu Sep 25, 2014 2:03 pm

Quoting boeingfixer (Reply 10):
The 757 is mainline and not a feeder aircraft. The C208 and ATR's are the only FedEx feeder aircraft in the fleet.

I know. I was talking about the FedEx fleet as a whole.
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RE: FedEx Feeder Crew Question

Thu Sep 25, 2014 2:21 pm

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 9):
The ATR might be a little too heavy an airframe for single pilot, but I do know that in Alaska, they are flying E-120 cargo conversions as single pilot.

To my knowledge the EMB-120 type certificate requires two pilots.
 
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RE: FedEx Feeder Crew Question

Thu Sep 25, 2014 5:15 pm

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 9):
but I do know that in Alaska, they are flying E-120 cargo conversions as single pilot.

As far as I know there are no E-120's flying cargo in Alaska. Everts has 1 (possibly 2 now...if not flying at least on property) and it is two man crewed. TransNorthern flies Metroliners (formerly for FedEx, now UPS) single pilot and some flights with 2.
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RE: FedEx Feeder Crew Question

Thu Sep 25, 2014 5:28 pm

Quoting DashTrash (Reply 12):

To my knowledge the EMB-120 type certificate requires two pilots.

Yes; however, I believe there's an exemption, but I can't seem to find any information on it. Everts Air Cargo had an incident a few years ago involving an E-120, and I strongly believe it was single pilot. I could be wrong, though (If I could find the detailed incident report, that is.)
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RE: FedEx Feeder Crew Question

Thu Sep 25, 2014 5:38 pm

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 14):
Yes; however, I believe there's an exemption, but I can't seem to find any information on it. Everts Air Cargo had an incident a few years ago involving an E-120, and I strongly believe it was single pilot. I could be wrong, though (If I could find the detailed incident report, that is.)

There is not, as I'm quite certain my company would be doing it, as cheap as they are, on our E120's.

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RE: FedEx Feeder Crew Question

Fri Sep 26, 2014 2:19 am

Quoting flymia (Reply 3):
I have heard of those pilots finding some part time work at the out station. I makes sense bascially the flying is their commute there. With the money they make flying two flights a day they need the extra money. For the part time job to work the pilot would have to be based on the same flight every day of course which I think is the case. Anyone here of that? Do the pilots get put on one route only? Or does it depend how big the station is.

That sounds horribly inefficient. Every airline I know of bases crews at the hub, and they fly different routes all the time.
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RE: FedEx Feeder Crew Question

Fri Sep 26, 2014 6:29 am

Quoting A346Dude (Reply 16):
That sounds horribly inefficient. Every airline I know of bases crews at the hub, and they fly different routes all the time.

With the small feed package market in the US, this is common and does make sense. A pilot ends up spending more time in the outstation than they do in the "hub" and additionally in many places the aircraft flies to the outstation Saturday morning and doesn't come back until Monday evening. 1 pilot, 1 aircraft, 1 route, you fly the same route every day.

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RE: FedEx Feeder Crew Question

Fri Sep 26, 2014 12:58 pm

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 17):
With the small feed package market in the US, this is common and does make sense. A pilot ends up spending more time in the outstation than they do in the "hub" and additionally in many places the aircraft flies to the outstation Saturday morning and doesn't come back until Monday evening. 1 pilot, 1 aircraft, 1 route, you fly the same route every day.

Interesting, thanks for the info. How do they handle sick calls and charters?
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RE: FedEx Feeder Crew Question

Fri Sep 26, 2014 6:15 pm

Quoting A346Dude (Reply 18):
Interesting, thanks for the info. How do they handle sick calls and charters?

Generally, a spare pilot/plane in the hub, who sits reserve.

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RE: FedEx Feeder Crew Question

Sun Oct 05, 2014 3:45 am

Quoting A346Dude (Reply 16):

Quoting flymia (Reply 3):
I have heard of those pilots finding some part time work at the out station. I makes sense bascially the flying is their commute there. With the money they make flying two flights a day they need the extra money. For the part time job to work the pilot would have to be based on the same flight every day of course which I think is the case. Anyone here of that? Do the pilots get put on one route only? Or does it depend how big the station is.

That sounds horribly inefficient. Every airline I know of bases crews at the hub, and they fly different routes all the time

I've heard the same as flymia. SLC has several C208 feeders arriving from various locations (Idaho/Nevada) each day and I've heard of the pilots taking part-time work in the outstation to fill the otherwise empty day.

Inefficient for the pilot to have to take on a part-time job in the middle of the flying job, but pretty efficient in preserving the little green papers    for the airline.
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RE: FedEx Feeder Crew Question

Wed Oct 08, 2014 12:28 am

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 14):
incident a few years ago involving an E-120, and I strongly believe it was single pilot. I could be wrong, though (If I could find the detailed incident report, that is.)

I'll check tomorrow at work but I'm 98% sure it was two man crew. I know the captain.

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RE: FedEx Feeder Crew Question

Thu Oct 09, 2014 3:42 pm

I had to do quite a bit of research on it, but I final found it...

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NTSB Identification: DCA12FA042
Scheduled 14 CFR Part 135: Air Taxi & Commuter
Incident occurred Thursday, February 16, 2012 in Iliamna, AK
Aircraft: EMBRAER EMB120, registration: N1110J
Injuries: 2 Uninjured.

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On February 16, 2012, at about 1308 local time, an Embraer EMB-120, registration N1110J, operated as cargo flight 1291 by Everts Air Cargo, experienced an uncommanded pitch down while descending into Iliamna Airport, Alaska. The captain reported that the flight from Anchorage had been otherwise uneventful until, during the descent at about 250 knots airspeed with his hands on the controls and the autopilot engaged, the airplane pitched to about 20 degrees nose down. The captain reported he then disconnected the autopilot and adjusted the pitch trim in the airplane nose down direction while pulling back on the column to recover from the pitch excursion. The flight crew declared an emergency, and at about 200 knots airspeed, the airplane pitched down a second time while the captain was hand flying as he continued the descent into Iliamna airport. The captain elected to make a high speed, flaps up landing and landed on runway 35. Post-flight inspection revealed that the left elevator was bent at the mid span trim tab, had partially detached from the aircraft, and was missing two attachment bolts.

So you're right, 2 crew. Based on the reports I read at the time, it sounded as though the captain was the only soul onboard. In fact, this report makes it sound that way as well. (I mean, was the F/O napping in the back the whole time?)
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